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Old 12-08-2016, 04:26 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Fun! I made a "first drive" video too - maybe 2nd or 3rd drive, but early enough to be worth recording for posterity.

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Old 12-09-2016, 04:38 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Fun! I made a "first drive" video too - maybe 2nd or 3rd drive, but early enough to be worth recording for posterity.
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Kept my tinkering to a minimum today. Had snow to play in instead!

Installed an LED flasher. Probably the simplest car to do this on. Cheap $2 ebay LED flasher. Trim the plastic a bit and pop it in. Done. Now I'm free to swap in LEDs whenever I feel like it. I followed it up by testing my LEDs and labeling them by color.

I just did some math. Based on how much gasoline it takes my gas Firefly to get me to work (~0.7L), and assuming the engine is at it's most fuel efficient the whole time (250g/kw hr), I end up with ~2.1kWh to go the 15 kim to work.

Really? That's it?

I've done calculations based on aero drag and everything else, but I clued in that this would give me a "real world" idea. In theroy, it should be better than that, even, since the engine is rarely at it's peak efficiency, but still...that's seems like almost nothing.

A quick bit of googling puts other EVs at a similar power usage. So I guess it's perfectly feasible. (Anyone care to confirm?)

Cool. Didn't believe the EV calculators that said I could expect 50km range. It should do that no problem. Heck, the half pack that's in there should get me to work and back. Just.

Real world driving will tell. Eventually.
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Old 12-09-2016, 02:38 PM   #134 (permalink)
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I kept a "fuel log" here for the ForkenSwift. Lower voltage of course, and slower speeds (typically only sub/urban stop sign infested routes, rarely over 45 km/h), but you can get an idea from it:

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Old 12-09-2016, 03:02 PM   #135 (permalink)
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Thanks; that's very helpful.

Is that from the battery kWh or from the wall kWh?

Plenty of real world proof right there. Thanks again!
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That's from the wall.

Keep in mind though: very granny driving style. And the last year or so was with excellent LRR Potenza RE92 tires on it. It rolled forever.
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Yes, I'm taking in consideration various differences in efficiency and such. the 214 wh per mile that I ended up with is a bit overly efficient. I figured 300 was a safer assumption in my original calculations. We'll see!
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Replaced most of the external bulbs with LEDs this morn. For those unfamiliar with modern LED bulbs, I took a comparison photo. LED on the left, regular bulb on the right:

[IMG]photoshare.shaw.ca/image/b/2/5/307842/fireflyevconversion00075-0.jpg[/IMG]

Get the right LED bulb, and it will be at least as bright as a normal bulb.

Or, in my case, you might get bulbs that are notably too bright.
(give me a break; I was trying a new bulb format)

Still need to order some more; I'm not satisfied with some of the bulbs up front. And I have the 3rd brake light & dome light sitting on my work bench, as they will be getting "panel" (dome) LEDs. You can get the idea from these pics of when I put them in my '95:





Why is this important enough to do asap? Well, it helps that it's pretty dang straight forward/simple, but the main reason is to cut down on battery draw ASAP. I've had to recharge the main battery already, which I pulled out to do, and had a temp 20ah SLA in there for the two brief driving tests which has already needed recharging.

Ok, it could have kept going, but I didn't want my field current to drop too far during the tests.

The proper battery can go back in, now that it has been charged and has a small BMS to control the charging. That will come next.

Which reminds me, I have to decide how I'm going to manipulate the field voltage/current. Its not bad with just 12v on the field, but it would be particularly beneficial with 2nd gear take offs to have more torque. And I might want it for hill climbing too.

I have various options within reach, and others which I could order easily enough. I think I like the idea of controlling it manually...and the clutch pedal is just sitting there doing nothing useful. I'd be all over that idea with the stuff I have on hand, but a 50/100a controller is overkill, in my opinion. I only need half that. I'd rather not use a sledge hammer where it's not necessary.
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Been working on those gauges...this is more to my tastes/skill-set than welding and hacking.

Mocking up...


Cheap-ass "pods"...


Power, direct from instrument cluster...


Test fit...


Testing LEDs that I installed work...


Testing dimmer function...


All good!

Just need to install the isolators for the Link-10 and it can be put back in the car.
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Figured I should test the LINK 10 battery meter before everything goes back together. Something I should have done before even deciding my gauge layout, if I had any sense.

It works. As in both volt reading and amps show up on the display.

Here's the thing. It's displaying more amps than are actually passing through the shunt. At least when there's a significant load on it. I checked it against my clamp meter. And, in case that wasn't accurate, I hooked up a different volt meter and checked the milli-volts across the shunt. My clamp meter, I'm glad to say, is pretty dang accurate. The Link-10 is not.

I have the shunt on the negative side, as required. I have checked the shunt voltage at the meter itself. It's still the same as it is at the shunt. I get 7.7mv at the shunt, and my clamp meter shows 77 amps, which corresponds nicely. It's a 500a, 50mv shunt. 1mv = 10a. 7.7mv = 77a. Meter reads 94.

Switch the polarity of the shunt wires, and now it reads seemingly correspondingly low. 63 amps. But it shows 0 amps when nothing is flowing, so it's not like it's stuck with X amps always over.

I changed the settings on the meter. I reset it. I changed them again. I wondered if it was the Puekert's Exponent setting, but changing it to 1.0 made no difference. I dug through the manual. I changed the charging efficiency. Each time, the same thing. Same readings.

So, I tried a different load. I put a measly 0.75-amp load on it, figuring it would show way off. Nope. It was perfect. I verified matching current with my DOM, and then with my clamp meter. It was accurate. The link-10 was accurate.

I put a second, matching load in parallel, and all meters & the link-10 showed 1.5a. Like it should.

I put a bigger load on it. 1.0 ohm, on my 12-volt battery. Link 10 showed 11.8a. As did my clamp meter. Still showing accurate.

Put the big load on it again, and the link 10 is back at showing 94 or 63 amps.

A larger load will be difficult, with the exception of once it's installed in the EV. Still. I'm

You'd think it would either be inaccurate all the time, equally, linearly, or it would be particularly inaccurate with small loads and get roughly more accurate as it goes up.

So. It's either buggered, or the programming in it - which the settings don't seem to affect - is calculating something I'm unaware of.

It's pretty useless to me like this. At least for high current use.

Any gurus out there used one and know what it's doing?

New ideas to try: change the battery capacity setting, as Puekert's effect is relative to the battery capacity vs load...if it's calculating for that. Or if it's calculating for internal resistance?

Try a larger battery (in reality) that will have less voltage drop and see if it makes any difference.

Test it with my other - completely different - amp-hour meter and see what it reports.


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