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Old 01-29-2020, 01:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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They call that spin.

Even my own pessimistic estimation I thought they would do more like 10 to 25 cars a day. Still no way it would turn a profit.

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Spin; it's like reporting on a mass shooting, and saying it's great news for gun advocates because it shows at least 1 person had interest in firearms.

Anyhow, I did a quick google search in the area, and it looks like the place is saturated with charging stations:

https://www.google.com/maps/search/e...e3!4m2!2m1!6e2

I'd like to get more recent statistics, but I believe the average uses per day for a DCFC is something like 4. The vast majority lose money. The ones that break even or even earn a little money tend to be lower output chargers (50 kW). Their demand costs are less, and so recovering the monthly expense is easier.

There economic incentive then is to build slower chargers rather than faster ones, because the faster the charger, the more likely it is to lose more money.

Perhaps a battery buffer will help to alleviate that cost.
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I like the idea of transitioning school buses to EV since those are the perfect use case. These buses travel relatively little distance and have ample opportunity to charge when not in use. They have huge maintenance costs which could be reduced by the less complex and higher reliability of electric systems. They burn diesel and pollute around children.
That and mail trucks! I wonder what the government was thinking when they continue to operate those gas only vehicles where a hybrid or electric would be perfect for it. I also wonder why they still use steelies, when they could be running lightweight alloys. Lightweight wheels would likely have a fairly quick payoff, and help improve acceleration, something those trucks do a lot.
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I've been saying garbage trucks should be electric. They're constantly accelerating to 5 MPH, then hitting their squealing brakes. An EV would dominate in that use case, and not wake people up at 6am.
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An interesting article about the first gas station to stop selling gas and go entirely to EV charging. Not sure what the business model is there, but I hope it works for them. It does say there are more than 20,700 EVs registered in Maryland.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/firs...-now-open.html
have they hung up the out of business sign?


or need a government bail out

what octane of electricity do they offer?

120v 240v 300v 400v, 600v octane?
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That and mail trucks! I wonder what the government was thinking when they continue to operate those gas only vehicles where a hybrid or electric would be perfect for it. I also wonder why they still use steelies, when they could be running lightweight alloys. Lightweight wheels would likely have a fairly quick payoff, and help improve acceleration, something those trucks do a lot.
instead of throwing away current cars and SUV,

WE need an drop in "upgrade" for existing popular models.(ones with high sold unit numbers) that is where things can be improved

NOT a new car that is being wasteful

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MD is the size of 2 or 3 NM counties and they have nearly 10x the EVs. If I bought a used chademo for a few grand, converted it to coin operation it would probably attract some use.
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MD is the size of 2 or 3 NM counties and they have nearly 10x the EVs. If I bought a used chademo for a few grand, converted it to coin operation it would probably attract some use.
Better yet, get politicians real mad at some vehicle manufacturer, and then have the manufacturer install the infrastructure out of their pocket, despite the fact that you know nothing about demand for such a thing at your location.

You'd still lose money because the monthly demand charges alone are more than the revenue of a handful of people charging for $5 at a time.
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I would gouge people as it would be the only chademo for 100 miles.
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I would gouge people as it would be the only chademo for 100 miles.
Yeah, what you call gouging people is what economists call market pricing. If you're the only one in 100 miles, then people should pay a premium...

You're still not going to make anything. The fact that you're the only stop in 100 miles itself will limit the number of people traveling through.

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