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Old 10-02-2019, 04:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First US gas station to ditch oil for 100% EV charging opens in Maryland



An interesting article about the first gas station to stop selling gas and go entirely to EV charging. Not sure what the business model is there, but I hope it works for them. It does say there are more than 20,700 EVs registered in Maryland.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/firs...-now-open.html

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Hopefully it works out I know where I am there is 0 public charging.
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I've commented on this extensively at the Bolt forum.

Here's some of my comments:

Pricing is for their one L2 charging spot at $1.25/session + $0.08/min, which is steep. I don't see pricing info for the DCFC options.

Did anyone read the article? The guy got a nearly $800,000 grant to install 4 DCFC spots. If he'd have paid out of pocket for that, how much charging would need to occur to recoup the $200k per charger?

The whole thing is a gimmick catered to a select "elite" group of people...

I'm sure the motivation by some ws to provide a service to the public. That isn't the problem. Good intentions can still be stupid and corrupt. In fact, most bad outcomes started from good intentions.

The entities that covered the grant were not using money that was donated to them, but money extracted unwillingly from the public. And it went to a private business, an individual. I wouldn't care if the 4 chargers cost a billion dollars from someone that voluntarily donated the money. Instead the public overpaid for something that cannot exist on its own economically to cater to a very small percentage of relatively wealthy people who happen to own EVs.

The taxis wouldn't be "hogging" the charging spots if the price were set appropriately. Then we'd say they were paying for a service. As I understand, at least one of the existing spots is free, which just invites moochers.

Perhaps the area needed more chargers, and I'm happy to see charging infrastructure expand, but not at the public expense, not at the benefit of 1 private business, and not to cater to a very small/specific demographic that tends to be more well off than others. That fits the description of anti-progressive...
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah free charging does invite moochers.

I didn't know the charge stations cost $200,000, that's ridiculous. The article I read didn't say anything about there only being 4 charge stations.
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I have only seen EV chargers placed in "convenient" places such as mall parking lots, and some gas stations having at least one charger but none entirely replacing the fuel dispensers.
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I just don't want to pay shipping from or drive all the way to MD to buy a going out of business chademo for dirt cheap.
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This is no big deal! He probably wasn't making much off the gas. Inside sale and repair was always were the money was at. Don't see it as a good model for future charge locations. Better is parking garages and shopping or dinning locations were the person will be doing some thing other than just waiting. Could be incorporate with a valet business so the car could be moved as soon as it is charged opening the charger for the next vehicle.
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Don't see it as a good model for future charge locations. Better is parking garages and shopping or dinning locations were the person will be doing some thing other than just waiting.
Even though some of the charge locations I see are at a gas station, they're usually right in front of the AMPM, so the driver may spend some time getting some munchies or a coffee

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