FORD to follow TOYOTA

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

That's a 5X difference.

Driving across the river into Eugene is only 2X.

What do you suppose accounts for the vastly differing pricing just across a freeway?

Seems to me pitchforks would come out whenever someone next-door is paying half the cost.

Springfield must be using all that cheap solar and wind everyone keeps proclaiming is cheaper than everything else.

Was just in Corvallis today on one of my infrequent work trips. Wonder what those folk are paying?

[freebeard]

What do you suppose accounts for the vastly differing pricing just across a freeway?

Eugene has EWEB, they get their power from the McKenzie River.

Springfield has SUB, they have a deal with the Grand Coulee Dam.

Grand Coulee Dam - Woody Guthrie

"In the crystal mystic glitter of that wild and windward spray...'

edit: Here's another: End of the Line · Woody Guthrie

Coulee dam is a sight to see,
Makes this e-lec-a-tric-i-tee

'Lectric lights is mighty fine,
If you're hooked on to the power line

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Eugene has EWEB, they get their power from the McKenzie River.

Springfield has SUB, they have a deal with the Grand Coulee Dam.

"In the crystal mystic glitter of that wild and windward spray...'

That explains where the power comes from, but not why people across the street would fail to negotiate the better pricing. Running some wires across a freeway is a minor expense in the scheme of things. Come to think of it for the first time, I don't know why power arbitrage isn't a thing. I pay for service in Springfield, and pay for wires across the street to Eugene, and they pay me more than my cost, but less than theirs.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

Public DC Chargers are only for longer trips - the vast majority of EV charging happens at home.

That's what I mean, sometimes folks may be far from home and unable to wait to charge at home. Not to mention older apartment complexes where parking spots don't have power outlets.

If you can't charge at home there is no reason I can see to own an EV.

I have already seen some folks using BEVs to drive on Uber, so they may not be able to drive back home whenever they need a charge, let alone patiently wait for a slow charge.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Running some wires across a freeway is a minor expense in the scheme of things

I don't think that would work in the long run. They're probably intertied at Corvallis or Beaverton, or something. Eugene must be full of energy masochists.

I'm off to threadjack the kartoonist thread.

[Piotrsko]

Every electric car I have seen will charge from standard house power. Might be some that won't, I dunno. Everyone I talk to turns off their mind when I discuss house power charging overnight, ain't fast enough. ??? Really? You fill up your standard gasser fuel tank every day before you drive the 5 miles to work?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

That's a 5X difference.

Driving across the river into Eugene is only 2X.

What are we talking about that is 5X? The price per kWh between peak and offpeak? If so - that is the point. PGE wants people to use more power off peak and less on peak. It is pretty easy to shift power usage.

What is the price of power in Eugene?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

That's what I mean, sometimes folks may be far from home and unable to wait to charge at home. Not to mention older apartment complexes where parking spots don't have power outlets.

So then you charge from a public DC charger enough to get home and then charge the rest on cheap AC. Just what I did on Sunday.

If your apartment doesn't have chargers - don't buy an EV. As EV market share increases more apartment buildings will add chargers. It is already happening here in Portland and EVs are only 16% of new car sales.

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I have already seen some folks using BEVs to drive on Uber, so they may not be able to drive back home whenever they need a charge, let alone patiently wait for a slow charge.

Yes, and that is a business decision. Uber pays more to people that drive an EV and EVs have very low running costs. Plenty of uber drivers will pay for a fast charge in the middle of the day - the chargers across from my office are full of uber drivers. Many also slow charge overnight so they start the day with 300+ miles of range to drive customers around.


Getting back to the original topic - how quickly the premium for an F-150 Lightning pays back will vary based on someone's driving and personal situations. For someone like me that can charge at home for 8 cents per kWh vs paying $3.60 for a gallon of gas the payback is pretty quick. For others it might not make sense at all.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

For others it might not make sense at all.

Most likely, someone who tows frequently might be more affected by a range decrease than it would happen with a gasser. No wonder Ford, after placing its bets about the electric version enabling the F-150 to be available in Western Europe, was recently reported to be working on some Euro-spec variants of the regular F-150.