FORD to follow TOYOTA

[Piotrsko]

Actually, wrapping the fine into the base price might be an adequate strategy. People ask monthly payments nowadays, not out the door price. Lady next door doesn't know final price of the 'burb she is renting. Afaics, it's more than my first house in LA based on the online build site.

[freebeard]

R. B. Fuller always said a house should cost as much as a car, but he was trying to bring the price of a house down.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

R. B. Fuller always said a house should cost as much as a car, but he was trying to bring the price of a house down.

The way to bring house costs down is to not have bespoke everything. Every time a material is cut, it is bespoke. Homes should be modular pieces built to the exact dimensions at the factory (or on site with automation), which makes working with wood an unlikely material.

[Piotrsko]

That and there's no significant reason to have 10,000 sq ft of house for two people.

[freebeard]

Dymaxion House - Buckminster Fuller Institute
The Dymaxion House was to be leased, or priced like an automobile, to be paid off in five years. All this would be possible now if houses were engineered, mass-produced, and sold like cars. $40,000.00 sounds about right. In 1946, Bucky actually built a later design of the Dymaxion House

Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion House as a Paradigm for a Space Habitat
FIGURE 2 shows the 1946 Dymaxion House floor plan. The plan divides the 102.2 sq. m (1100 sq. ft.) of floor area approximately in half between the two bedrooms (and their accessory enclosures) at the top and the living room, kitchen and "entry hall" (which leads nowhere) in the lower half.

This was decades before the Fly's Eye dome.

[Piotrsko]

I also recall a distinct adversion to cookie cutter housing developments.

Sears did have house on a trailer bought out of a catalogue, just add land and foundation.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Actually, wrapping the fine into the base price might be an adequate strategy. People ask monthly payments nowadays, not out the door price. Lady next door doesn't know final price of the 'burb she is renting. Afaics, it's more than my first house in LA based on the online build site.

Wrapping fines into the purchase price has been the standard way of doing business for luxury car manufacturers like BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche for decades. However that only works for some fines. CAFE and ZEV you can just pay the fine. Local emissions regulated by EPA 4 and EPA 2027 are hard and fast limits with credit system internal to a company but without credit trading between companies. So Ford can't just ignore EPA 2027 and buy credits from Tesla.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

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But they aren't even that inexpensive used from the people who did buy one at $32,500 new after the credit. They are $48k used and $55,500 new with tax credit. A crew cab 4x4 ICE version with similar features new is a good $10,000 less.

So I say it's still the price. If they get to the point where they cost less as originally spun to consumers, they will sell, but there isn't enough better about them to command $10,000 more.

Yes the Lightning is expensive but the average transaction price for a new full size truck is $65,000 today. I'd say the problem is range. People buy trucks today as all purpose family vehicles. They are likely the vehicle expected to be used for the family road trip and 200 miles of highway range doesn't cut it.

[redpoint5]

Isn't Ford still providing deep discounts from MSRP on the Lightning?

I find odd they are reusing the Lightning name from the 90's, but then again they called the electric sedan Mustang, so they must prefer reusing names instead of creating new ones.

I have a friend that bought one of these ridiculous trucks new. He didn't haggle the price, said yes to everything proposed by the salesman, including the undercoating and gap insurance.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

CARB has designed their regulations so companies can't just ignore emission regulations by selling a customer a F250 instead of a F150.

Seems like an opportunity for Ford to sell more Rangers and Mavericks, not to mention the Maverick being already available in hybrid versions. Sometimes it seems quite surprising that Ford didn't release a hybrid AWD variant of the Maverick and Bronco Sport, considering they share most of their underpinnings with the Escape which is already available as such.