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Old 05-22-2021, 02:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 05-22-2021, 06:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I am telling you, this will not be sold in any volume.

The base trucks will go to electric companies and government agencies. The trucks on the lots will all be top trim trucks like Platinums and Lariets.

The chance of an average Joe getting a bottom trim truck is ZERO! If I'm wrong I'll trade my Tacoma in on a base crew cab.
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Old 05-23-2021, 12:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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The base trucks will go to electric companies and government agencies. The trucks on the lots will all be top trim trucks like Platinums and Lariets.
One can easily guess base-trim trucks are only available because of the fleet market, even though it does surprise me extended cabs didn't effectively replace regular cabs for the full-size models as they did for the compacts. When it comes to the highest trims, as the average Joe doesn't have to express much concern for the compliance issue to the same extent as corporative customers would have to, I'd expect most of the electrification on them to still revolve around the hybrid option as long as the marketing department makes it seem cool in the eyes of recreational users.
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I am telling you, this will not be sold in any volume.

The base trucks will go to electric companies and government agencies. The trucks on the lots will all be top trim trucks like Platinums and Lariets.

The chance of an average Joe getting a bottom trim truck is ZERO! If I'm wrong I'll trade my Tacoma in on a base crew cab.
The trucks will go to those with pre-orders, if fleets did the pre-orders they will get them, if average Joe did the order they will get them. Ford builds what people order so if the fleets order platinum they will get platinum, if Joe orders a commercial he will get a commercial. Ford isn't going to piss off the millions of average Joe's they actually sell trucks to, or change how they have been doing things the last 100 years because it is an EV. Ford has a history of making things like the small diesel or the most powerful EcoBoost available across the line without having to spring for an expensive package.

You aren't getting anything if you didn't put your $100 preorder in yesterday.
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One can easily guess base-trim trucks are only available because of the fleet market, even though it does surprise me extended cabs didn't effectively replace regular cabs

I'd expect most of the electrification on them to still revolve around the hybrid option as long as the marketing department makes it seem cool in the eyes of recreational users.
Plug in Hybrid option is on Ice and wonít arrive until after the BEV launch

Given the 10+ mile range and other strange limitations my guess is they want to wait for a better configuration like they did for Bev

Now if you want a normal hybrid
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Great spectrum of topics being covered. I'll add my 2-cents.

1. RE: What women are attracted to.

The pecking order of animals with a social structure is most certainly one aspect. The below video explains that very well, but does NOT touch on mate selection, and you need to self-filter out the political aspect of topical news cycle.

Approx. 15 minutes long (but good) Feb 6, 2021
The Biology Of Blame by Howard Bloom


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May 21, 2021
Ford Will Source F-150 Lightning Batteries in U.S. after Just Missing a Battery Trade War
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-us-trade-war/

If I'm reading this article above correctly, Ford expects half of all F-150 sales to be electric by 2030, that's a huge change in the next decade but still behind what European manufactures are expected to achieve EV wise.

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Who runs the world? Girls. Who buys the cars? Women. Yes, women. In fact, women buy 62 percent of all new cars sold in the U.S. and influence more than 85 percent of all car purchases.
The way I see this playing out is "Honey - I'll let you have your big pickup truck, but only if it's an green EV".

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Women are drawn to the men who other men respect. It's an indirect way of attracting women.

Peterson describes this better, but men tend to sort themselves for women to choose from.
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JORDAN PETERSON | Women Are Naturally Attracted To These Type Of Men


Can you please post a link and or video that better describes Peterson's view on this topic?

At about the 2:00 mark he hits on the wide jaw thing and ovulation, explains why so many women have babies by the Alpha types (f'ing), but want them raised by Betas (marriage).
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I am telling you, this will not be sold in any volume.

The base trucks will go to electric companies and government agencies. The trucks on the lots will all be top trim trucks like Platinums and Lariets.

The chance of an average Joe getting a bottom trim truck is ZERO! If I'm wrong I'll trade my Tacoma in on a base crew cab.
I doubt you will see many base trucks on dealer lots but I'm very sure that your local Ford dealer will order one for you if you want one.

Hopefully you put down a $100 deposit if you actually want one next year. I suspect Ford will be out of Federal EV Tax Credits by the end of next year unless EV incentives change.
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Ford expects half of all F-150 sales to be electric by 2030, that's a huge change in the next decade but still behind what European manufactures are expected to achieve EV wise
I would only hold my breath for such target to become achievable somehow if Ford eventually increases the international availability of the F-150 into regions where the stereotypical American gas-guzzler is economically unviable, but it's not a safe bet at all.


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The way I see this playing out is "Honey - I'll let you have your big pickup truck, but only if it's an green EV".
Of course a lot of new car sales are heavily influenced by women, just like the home appliances and furniture are often chosen by them. While most people are actually not so excited about cars, seeing them as some sort of appliance, it doesn't surprise me to see women influencing the buying pattern. But the average Sally still seems more inclined toward safety than the "green" approach.
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I'm just basing my opinions on what RAM did with the eco diesel. Since the dealer only got a limited allotment for the diesel engines, they ordered them in the most profitable trim levels.

Speaking of Ford, I have yet to see a a F-150 diesel in the wild. Nor do I here about them on other forums.

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