Fuel prices, oversized cars and Schadenfreude

[redneck]

Originally Posted by Autobahnschleicher

Who else finds it hilarious how all these gas guzzler drivers cry about this slight increase in fuel prices?

Time to sell off that financed truck and buy a small motorcycle or leave it in the driveway and commute by bike/public transport...

I can't wait for prices in the US reach the level we here in germany had before the attack...

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Hilarious ?

Cry ?

Can’t wait to we match your level of suffering ?


Well...




Try thinking deeper...

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[jimhs]

Originally Posted by Autobahnschleicher

Who else finds it hillarious how all these gas guzzler drivers cry about this slight increase in fuel prices?
Time to sell off that financed truck and buy a small motorcycle or leave it in the driveway and commute by bike/public transport...

I can't wait for prices in the US reach the level we here in germany had before the attack...

Petrol price in greece at least didn't reach 2euro/litre back in 2008 when the oil price was like 150$/barrel.
So it is a matter how much they want to tax us than anything else.
For me it is a shame rather than hilarious that people have to pay 2E/litre when their average wage is 1000Euros or less.
I think you live in your own world.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Autobahnschleicher

Who else finds it hillarious how all these gas guzzler drivers cry about this slight increase in fuel prices?
Time to sell off that financed truck and buy a small motorcycle or leave it in the driveway and commute by bike/public transport...

I can't wait for prices in the US reach the level we here in germany had before the attack...

'Those who refuse to learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it.' George Santayana
PS, I was very pleased to witness zero-pickup trucks, and zero-SUVs in Germany, and six other European nations back in 1997.
And the Deutsches Museum had the audacity to showcase Dr. Wolf Heinrich Hucho et al.'s research on aerodynamics vs fuel economy!

[redpoint5]

I have a theory that perhaps those areas with extremely high taxes on petrol in the first place are somewhat more insulated against feeling the pain of price increase because they have already invested in more fuel efficient vehicles. In other words, the price increase of the fuel represents a smaller portion of the overall price when taxes are factored in.

That's not necessarily a recommendation to increase taxation, but it should at least be considered. As I continuously argue, the ONLY reasonable and effective way to artificially manipulate oil consumption from the governmental level is via taxation. All else is corruption and ignorance.

[Piotrsko]

Please explain how taxation by a government agency isn't a definition of corruption

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Please explain how taxation by a government agency isn't a definition of corruption

I didn't say it wasn't, only that it's much less susceptible to corruption than any other mechanism. IF something should be done to artificially reduce oil consumption, THEN the least corrupt and most effective mechanism is tax policy. Dumb ideas like $10k subsidies to wealthy people to buy EVs are far more corrupt and way less effective.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I have a theory that perhaps those areas with extremely high taxes on petrol in the first place are somewhat more insulated against feeling the pain of price increase because they have already invested in more fuel efficient vehicles. In other words, the price increase of the fuel represents a smaller portion of the overall price when taxes are factored in.

That's not necessarily a recommendation to increase taxation, but it should at least be considered. As I continuously argue, the ONLY reasonable and effective way to artificially manipulate oil consumption from the governmental level is via taxation. All else is corruption and ignorance.

1) According to Rick Steves, on PBS, most Europeans are perfectly willing to pay higher taxes, as they get a higher standard of living, for most measurable metrics tracked in economics.
2) 26% or higher income tax used to be the dividing line for 'Socialism.'
3) I worked for a fella in Colorado Springs, Colorado in 1986, and he was paying 67% 'income' tax, when all local, county, state, and federal taxes were included, and he figured that it got him virtually 'nothing' in return for paying more than 'double' the 'Socialist' rate.
4) The German national I travelled with after leaving Dallas, had paid college ( undergraduate and graduate ), paid six (6)-weeks holiday/ year, and free health care for life.
5) In Canada she got ill, and the Canadian medical system took care of her at no cost, even though she was a 'foreigner.' Friends of hers in Ontario laughed at me when I asked what they had to pay 'to have a baby' at the local hospital.
6) Seven European nations I visited didn't need automobiles in the metropolitan areas. Trams, busses, and light rail were everywhere and ridiculously economical.
7) It wasn't uncommon for Europeans to speak at least three-languages.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Please explain how taxation by a government agency isn't a definition of corruption

Theft ≠ corruption.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Theft ≠ corruption.

Right. The corruption happens when they spend it.

I sort of feel bad for folks with pickup trucks that have very large capacity tanks. Sort of. I know a few of them are actually used as work trucks and/or for hauling stuff and those are the ones with my sympathy. The other 99% that are essentially penis extensions, I don't feel any of their pain at the pump. Yes there are a lot of monstrous SUVs around here too, and they annoy me too, but not like the poseur pickups do. Pay, suckers. Pay!

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Please explain how taxation by a government agency isn't a definition of corruption

When the taxes are used for the good of the people (roads, schools, police, etc.).