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Half-ton vs One-ton MPG (F-150 vs Superduty MPG)
Its a question I would expect there to be more information on: What is the efficiency difference between a one ton and half ton truck? Myself, along with many others I am sure, are considering whether they make do pushing the max weight rating of say an F-150, or to take the loss of efficiency and go with a F-250 or F-350. The EPA doesn't require Ford to publish MPG ratings for their Superduty trucks- and I have scoured the web looking for an answer. I am leaning toward an F-350 for our next expedition vehicle due to the strength and articulation of a straight axle in the front, and that I would be pushing the payload of a half ton. However, if say the one ton got 13 MPG vs the half ton getting 20 mpg, it would definitely affect my decision. To keep it apples to apples I think an appropriate comparison would be the 5.0 Coyote gas V8 F-150 vs 6.2 Boss gas V8 F-350. To my knowledge there is absolutely no even remotely scientific comparison between these two vehicles as far as I have found. Or for any other manufacturer's half ton vs one ton trucks. Does anyone know of any data available?
(Btw I already have a car and trailers, I need a truck)
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06-04-2023, 09:55 AM
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Not sure what the 350 gets as a gasser for fuel mileage, not hauling stuff. Hauling stuff, I think is like 13, which by defination has to reduce fuel economy because you're accelerating mass...
They make 150's that legally do a ton? I have seen a ton in a 150 and it's a ticket appearance if I ever saw one
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06-05-2023, 10:55 AM
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half-ton vs one-ton
I did a search for ' Ford f-350 real fuel economy.'
I looked at fuelly.com's website, and for the 2023 Ford, the gasoline-powered 350 was averaging 12.3-mpg, and the diesel-powered variants were getting from the 17s, to a high of 18.1-mpg, depending on engine.
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Not sure what the 350 gets as a gasser for fuel mileage, not hauling stuff. Hauling stuff, I think is like 13, which by defination has to reduce fuel economy because you're accelerating mass...
They make 150's that legally do a ton? I have seen a ton in a 150 and it's a ticket appearance if I ever saw one
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Yes the max cargo weight of a new F-150 can be up to 2856 lb. The problem I have is the max cargo weight of the supercab 4x4 version I want tops out at 1848 lb, which a slide in camper will be bumping up very close to if not exceeding with gear and liquids. The same configuration(supercab 4x4 non dually) F-350 has a max cargo weight of 3861 lb.
The heavier truck is definitely going to get worse city mileage due to weight, and I can accept that loss because I feel that the extra weight is useful in my case because I am utilizing that extra beef they put in the frame and axles by hauling and offroading with a huge slide in camper. However I would like to see where the hwy mpg differs from the F-150 because imo thats less weight and more how the two trucks differ in aero and focus on efficiency in the design. I have a feeling that because the Superduty arent advertised with MPG consequentially not as much focus has been put on efficiency in the design.
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06-05-2023, 04:08 PM
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You buy the size of truck needed to do the work required. The MPG falls where it may.
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06-05-2023, 08:10 PM
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What happened to 1/4-ton trucks???
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https://electrek.co › 2023 › 05 › 30 › arcimoto-muv-unveiled-modular-three-wheeled-electric-utility-vehicle
Arcimoto MUV unveiled as 3-wheeled 75 mph utility vehicle - Electrek
6 days agoThe fairly small-format vehicle has a payload of 500 pounds (226 kg) yet is nimble and narrow enough for the tightest of work environments. Its dual-motor front-wheel drive with a single seat...
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06-06-2023, 12:59 AM
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It's easier to compare a F-150 to a Ranger, as they have a more similar payload. But as you have an actual need for the F-350, trying to downsize may not be so worth at all.
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06-06-2023, 10:34 PM
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What happened to 1/4-ton trucks???
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I don't know what relevance the ton class has anymore, if it ever had relevance.
I've easily put over a ton in my "3/4 ton" truck. Put a yard of rock in the bed, and then had a 1 ton trailer with 3 yards of bark dust attached. I easily had 1.5 tons or more added weight on the rear axle.
That reminds me, I still want to create a swimming pool in the bed this summer. By my estimate, assuming 1ft depth, that's around 1 ton of water, plus humans.
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06-06-2023, 11:33 PM
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My 1961 panel van had '3/4-ton' rear axles, and weighed about as much as a Beetle, or 1 ton or less.
The most weight it had in it was [at least I'd paid for] 2/3 of a cord of wood. According to USFS:
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https://www.fs.usda.gov › Internet › FSE_DOCUMENTS › stelprdb5328581.pdf
Measuring your firewood - US Forest Service
Measuring your firewood A standard, full cord of wood is a volume of 128 cubic feet, measured as a pile 8 feet long, 4 feet high and 4 feet wide. A full cord can weigh up to 5,000 pounds. Small Pickup -- 1/4 ton With or without racks this truck bed holds approximately 1/2 (one-half) cord of wood.
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That certainly gave it a nice stance! The 1100lb FUV has a 500lb payload (plus the driver).
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06-08-2023, 01:58 PM
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You buy the size of truck needed to do the work required. The MPG falls where it may.
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In this case the load depends on the vehicle, not the other way around. I have enough tools/toys I would always like to bring, if I had the space, to more than fill a 6x6 deuce and a half and get 4 MPG but I won't accept that mileage. I would rather pack light and get as far as I can in my FWD Chevy Volt with a moto trailer and get triple digit MPG.
So as you can see there's more to it than that. The MPG number fall where I choose them to fall. Then I fill the GVWR with what I can. As I mentioned above some of the variables I am considering are articulation, axle strength, weight, payload, max tire size, and of course perhaps the most important for me personally- efficiency.
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