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Old 09-22-2009, 07:23 AM   #21 (permalink)
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HOLY SH*T are you serious sub $1 gallons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we're more than lucky if regular dips below £1 ($1.63ish) per litre!!!!

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Old 09-22-2009, 10:12 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I can honestly admit to not forgetting those higher prices. I bought my Neon when gas hit $2/gal in 2003. And you can guess why I drive it more than Jeep Grand Cherokee for my commute.

But also admit that there are plenty that don't remember. Or, are in denial prices will go up again.

I really don't know whether or not we have reached peak oil or not. We have untapped reserves right here under our own feet that we aren't allowed to get to. Wouldn't it be nice to not be beholden to foreign governments or interests for our energy? And having our own supply would give us more time to work on better solutions for other issues as well, without being ridiculously expensive as well.

I'm all for electric cars and such, IF THEY HAD the range I need (my commute is 100 miles roundtrip, with a mountain pass in the middle each way) with the load I carry (4 people in my carpool). We're not there YET, but I have no doubt we will be in 10 years or less. And no, I cannot move closer to my job as there isn't any place to live near where I work.

Make the alternatives as attractive in price as the staus quo, and the world will beat the doors down.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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i've read a small news report somewhere can't remember the details, but the bottom line was that because of the crisis, investments in oil facilities and research for new sources has all but stopped and this at a time when easy access oil is running out. As demand will increase again the oil schortage will be even grater than during the last peak and oil prices will spike yet again. quite a scary thought but possibly quite true.
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anyone up for another war for oil???



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That chart seems to show a market correction: prices rose exceptionally high, than crashed, and now they are leveling off. I think ~$3 a gallon is a reasonable price for now, but for a real push towards new sources of energy to happen it will have to rise a lot higher.
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anyone up for another war for oil???
What do you mean, "another"? Next one will be the first.

Unless perhaps you want to consider that WWII was driven in part by German & Japanese desire to control various natural resouces, including oil.
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What do you mean, "another"? Next one will be the first.

Unless perhaps you want to consider that WWII was driven in part by German & Japanese desire to control various natural resouces, including oil.
So.. umm.. what was Desert Storm (burning oil fields...) and the first Iraqi war... (burning oil fields...) and...

You can't honestly say that none of these battles, or others through history, had anything to do with oil or the control of resources without making yourself look a fool in the eyes of the entire world.
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How can one forget oil prices.

just yesterday, (and prices aren't high..)

6.90 cents for a quart of higher grade synthetic.

even at 40mpg, 4 bucks a gallon was like 10mpg in a 300 hp v8 cruising in luxury not long ago..

how can one forget? it is more a problem to forget, than the prices of oil.
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So.. umm.. what was Desert Storm (burning oil fields...) and the first Iraqi war... (burning oil fields...) and...
That was due to Saddam Hussein's desire for conquest. Now he might not have been blind to the fact tha Kuwait had those oil wells, and that (if his conquest had been successful) he could use the revenue from them to fund further conquests, but the war wasn't FOR the oil.

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You can't honestly say that none of these battles, or others through history, had anything to do with oil or the control of resources without making yourself look a fool in the eyes of the entire world.
There's a big difference between saying that oil is not a factor at all, and saying that the war is FOR the oil, or primarily about oil. Claiming that it is makes you look as though you're ignorant of fourteen centuries of history, Middle Eastern politics of the last half century, and the tenets of one of the world's major religions.

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