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Old 12-13-2009, 06:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Like many of the others, I find bleeding off speed while climbing shorter hills is best. I've gotten 37 mpg with my SE-R on a 3 mile drive with a cold engine, by climbing a hill the first mile, and coasting the next two miles.

On long hills, there's no way around slogging it all the way, in the highest gear that will maintain speed. I typically get only 15-25 mpg climbing those hills, but FASing down them usually brings my mileage back to normal.

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Old 12-15-2009, 08:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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A modern Diesel or Gas engine can not really suffer from "Lugging" in the classical sense, because the fuel delivery is precise, regardless of the load.
In order to lug a modern engine you would have to go very low in the RPM range, down below 1100, give or take, depending on the engine being a performance type or an economy type.
I have never heard lugging as being ascribed to carburetors, I've been told that lugging is the detonation you get under high load at low RPM, which for a 4-cyl can be as high as 1,500, and in the case of my Ninja, 2,500.
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I forgot to add one technique I use. There is one small hill, maybe 50’ to 75’ elevation right after a narrow 2 lane bridge on a back road. After the initial steep part it slowly gains elevation for about 0.4 of a mile. I have found that powering up the initial steep section to gain speed to 50 mph (psl 45 mph) will net me greater overall mileage (read: less of a loss) than gliding to the base and DWL up the entire section at 45 mph. I’m assuming it has to do with my engine BSFC chart and finding the right rpm/mph combination for the climb. Unfortunately this is the only section of my commute that I have found this technique works on.

Bottom line, try different ways of approaching hills and see if there is a combination of rpm/mph/gear that works best.
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OK, you got me. Whats a "engine BSFC chart" when its at home ?
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BSFC stands for Brake Specific Fuel Consumption.

Its a graph of the best areas of power and RPM based on the most horsepower for the least fuel consumed per HP.

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Not sure about the OP diesel, but hills in mine should be gone up at 1750 rpm and full throttle in the highest gear that will get me closest to that, followed by an unobstructed glide on the backend of course But that is where I make the most power for a given amount of fuel on my tdi. Start gliding prior to the peak so that you glide crawl over the top and reduce need for braking as appropriate.
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Is there a temple where one may make offerings or incantations to obtain said chart ?

Or indeed a website ?


EDIT : Ahh, I see.
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I have never heard lugging as being ascribed to carburetors, I've been told that lugging is the detonation you get under high load at low RPM, which for a 4-cyl can be as high as 1,500, and in the case of my Ninja, 2,500.
The carburetor in your Nnja (correct me if I am wrong) is very similar to the original SU types used in Britain dating back to the mid century.

They are a variable venturi type without accelerator pumps. A single tapered needle and seat with a ported vacuum operated diaphragm (either rubber or metal) raises the needle and changes the volume of fuel in relation to throttle opening and engine speed.

Without any accelerator pump you do not have the issue of a specific volume of fuel being introduced into the engine regardless of the engine's speed.

In the classic term, the way I learned it in the 1960S, lugging an engine meant you were engaging the accelerator pump at too low RPM. The amount of fuel entering the engine was far too much for the volume of air. This made the mixture so rich, most of the fuel was not mixed properly for combustion.

Lugging a Ninja would certainly occur at higher RPM, when you consider the redline of the 250 CC engine, which (again if memory serves me right) is in the 12-14k RPM range. Some Bike engines are even higher.

Now I would not consider that a typical passenger car engine, especially if we are discussing a diesel, many of which would never operate at RPM ranges much higher than 2500. At 12k, I am not aware of any diesel that would not have disintegrated long before that RPM level was reached.

My VX shift indicator lights up to recommend an up shift at 1000 Rpm in 5th gear. That's a very low RPM level for 5th gear operation, but in the VX the engine is designed for that low speed torque.

To the original poster;

When I recommend drafting in heavy traffic, it is always in the right lane. The Interstates here have very heavy traffic volumes. One section here has 49,000 cars pass over the same spot, in the same lane, every day.

When you divide 84,600 seconds per day by 49,000 vehicles, you have less than 2 seconds of average separation per vehicle 24-7. Understand that during the 10PM to 6 AM hours the traffic volume is much lower on average, the separation time during heavies flow is less than 2 seconds per car, probably less than 1.5 seconds. At 55 MPH PSL, that amounts to an average separation distance of about 110 feet minus the vehicle length average of 15 feet. 95 feet separation distance average for 18 hours a day, including tractor trailers and other large vehicles.

My drafting distance is the same as my stopping distance in those conditions. Even then, you will have people cut in front of you and pass on the right, the vehicle in the left lane. Some separation distances and so ridiculously low, I can read the month and year on the license plate stickers in my rear view mirror, and my eyes are not that good any more.

If you leave more distance between you and the vehicle in front of you and the vehicle behind you is inches from your rear end (as you previously stated), is the danger not greater than if the distances were more close to the same?

The last 5 plus times I have been involved in any collision, I was hit in the rear, so that is where the danger is greatest, at least for me in my particular circumstances.

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Is there a temple where one may make offerings or incantations to obtain said chart ?

Or indeed a website ?


EDIT : Ahh, I see.
LOL, did my post make any sense?

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