Honda announces 3rd gen Honda Insight (2019) = a less ugly Civic sedan

[teoman]

I considered a CH-R for a period. The hybrid aspect seemed appealing. After getting in one i was severely dissapointed. It rather cramped inside and the trunk is a joke. The car is just bulked up with no real utility.

Fuel econonmy is ok ish. But considering a jazz or polo has lots more usable space i do not see the point in the CH-R. Doesnt look that offroad worthy either.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

What do you want?

SUV = a big brick people hauler
CUV = a smaller brick people hauler
original Insignt = aerodynamic vechicle

What do I want? A fuel efficient wagon with enough ground clearance for gravel forest roads. That is why I just purchased a recalled Jetta Sportwagen TDI and will add a 1.5 inch lift.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I guess my mom's Toyota Etios could fare better at a light off-road course than a CH-R.

Originally Posted by JSH

Honda does not believe the public (at least in the USA) equates performance with hybrids so they did not want to use a hybrid label on the Civic platform.

Considering the KERS as some sort of hybrid, plus the successful experience of hybrids at Le Mans and that many grand-tourers of the new generation are either available in a hybrid version or as a hybrid-only, they might be following the wrong approach trying to look at it only from a Prius perspective. Well, they could've even use it as an excuse to make a hybrid that looks cool compared to the Prius while remaining affordable compared to the premium offer from Porsche and BMW among others.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I guess my mom's Toyota Etios could fare better at a light off-road course than a CH-R.




Considering the KERS as some sort of hybrid, plus the successful experience of hybrids at Le Mans and that many grand-tourers of the new generation are either available in a hybrid version or as a hybrid-only, they might be following the wrong approach trying to look at it only from a Prius perspective. Well, they could've even use it as an excuse to make a hybrid that looks cool compared to the Prius while remaining affordable compared to the premium offer from Porsche and BMW among others.

The vast majority of people in the USA don’t watch Formula 1 or Le Mans. The most popular form of Motorsports racing is still NASCAR which only started allowing Fuel Injection in 2012.

In the USA people do equate hybrids with the Prius. Honda tried the performance hybrid with the he CRZ and it was a sales disaster. I suspect Honda has done their research (at least for the demographic that buys Civics)

[Xist]

Originally Posted by vskid3

A shame they couldn't decide whether to make [the CRZ] fast or efficient, and settled on neither. I bet it would sell much better if they would pick one.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...ins-33561.html

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

The vast majority of people in the USA don’t watch Formula 1 or Le Mans. The most popular form of Motorsports racing is still NASCAR which only started allowing Fuel Injection in 2012.

I know. My point was that Honda could've tried it harder if there was any real intention of making some sort of sporty hybrid. I'm sure they're not short of resources to do so...

In the USA people do equate hybrids with the Prius.

Well, much like it's roughly impossible to not think of a Ford Model T or a Beetle whenever we talk about a "people's car", the Prius will remain as a long-term reference when it comes to turning hybrids into an economically-viable deal.

Honda tried the performance hybrid with the he CRZ and it was a sales disaster. I suspect Honda has done their research (at least for the demographic that buys Civics)

Maybe nowadays that some top-tier sportscars are available as a hybrid, it might become easier to develop a more effective marketing approach.