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Old 07-01-2013, 08:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If you think that gearing is bad, you haven't seen a Toyota "sports" model (though they now say they are using 6 speeds on the Corolla, hooray! The regular Corolla had pretty questionably short gearing too). When Honda gives a car extremely short gears you at least can cruise with less than 50% of the rev limit.

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Old 07-02-2013, 10:03 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I found a good source on the ratios for the 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid manual transmission and added it to the table in post 1. Was also able to get engine code, oem wheel sizes, and transmission code. Anyone know where to find a free copy of the Honda Factory Service Manual for the seventh gen Civic and for the Fit? The sites I found want cash or ask for credit card info in a sketchy way.
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I wish I knew of such sources. Good luck searching.

Also, I think they used a cable clutch on the 03-05 Civic hybrid. A friend who had one had a failure and it was not hydraulic like I expected.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wish I knew of such sources. Good luck searching.

Also, I think they used a cable clutch on the 03-05 Civic hybrid. A friend who had one had a failure and it was not hydraulic like I expected.
Yeah, it seems maybe to have some completely unique clutch mechanism, but I don't think cable, or at least I have not found reference to cable yet. What I liked about putting it side-by-side with the conventional seventh gen Civics is to see the gearing change: the Civic Hybrid has mostly about the same gearing for 1-3 and reverse and taller gearing for 4th, 5th, and (especially) the final drive.

I have the 4th, 5th, and 6th gen Civic Honda factory manuals now (free) but the newer ones seem more difficult to get... any tips anyone has will be welcome. I want VSS data and other specs.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The 4th gen 2WD Wagons had a 4.058 final drive.
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I know 7 gen auto is crapola in worst degree but need to do it for son I gave him the 02
when it crapped up on me so my question is is there a better auto trans for this 02 lx?
he loves it and wants to keep it forever so may break down for upgraded unit.
Top gear or is this a rubber band box.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I added the first gen Honda Insight ratios to the list.

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Also, I think they used a cable clutch on the 03-05 Civic hybrid. A friend who had one had a failure and it was not hydraulic like I expected.
I think I found a reliable source that shows infact that it had the hydraulic clutch: CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER. Fits: Honda Civic MX (HYBRID) Hybrid 5MT | Sons Honda

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The 4th gen 2WD Wagons had a 4.058 final drive.
Interesting. I would love to see the full set of ratios, in order to know if there were any other difference, small or large, in the other ratios for the Wagon. Do you have them? Maybe from the factory FSM or some other reliable source I can cite?
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Maybe it was the shifter instead? That looks conclusive.
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Interesting. I would love to see the full set of ratios, in order to know if there were any other difference, small or large, in the other ratios for the Wagon. Do you have them? Maybe from the factory FSM or some other reliable source I can cite?
The rest of the ratios are the same as the DX/Si. I have the Wagon FSM.
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Any inputs on a reasonable price on a good used 5/6th gen CX/HX/DX transmission? My S40 input shaft is making a horrendous sound and was quoted $2600 for a rebuilt from AutoZone and $330 for a rebuild kit. I'm really short on time and would rather drop in and drop out a trans than fight a rebuild.

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