How do we feel about the iPhone/Android app, Automatic?

[uRabbit]

Automatic: An Auto Accessory to Make You a Smarter Driver

Has anyone seen this thing? $100... Same as a SGe. Coincidence? Has anyone actually used it? Can someone that has either of them compare the differences? I am looking to get the SGe for my daily commute.

[redpoint5]

I'd be interested to hear from someone that has owned this product and one of the others common to the community.

My guess is it doesn't add much, if anything, to the fee Torque app for androids. The Bluetooth Elm237 device that talks to Torque is $10 on Ebay. It's very hard to beat $10.

The UG also comes out ahead in the price dept at $70 I guess. Wow, is it that high? I thought I got mine for $45.

[uRabbit]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I'd be interested to hear from someone that has owned this product and one of the others common to the community.

My guess is it doesn't add much, if anything, to the fee Torque app for androids. The Bluetooth Elm237 device that talks to Torque is $10 on Ebay. It's very hard to beat $10.

The UG also comes out ahead in the price dept at $70 I guess. Wow, is it that high? I thought I got mine for $45.

While I would love to, I can't justify a new phone right now. (iPhone user currently.)

[vskid3]

Why not Ultragauge?

[uRabbit]

Originally Posted by vskid3

Why not Ultragauge?

This is why.

The features just are not there, dollar-for-dollar.

[Jyden]

Thanks for that PDF comparison - very good. Glad I kept my scangauge II.

[nemo]

I don't think the PDF makes an accurate comparison. Download the manuals for both and do your own. See two examples below.

Table 1 - Potential Available Gauges
% Engine Load
Engine Coolant Temperature (oF)
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1
Long Term Fuel Trim Bank 1
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2
Long Term Fuel Trim Bank 2
Fuel Pressure (PSI)
Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI)
RPM
MPH
Timing Advance
Intake Air Temperature (oF)
Mass Air Flow Sensor 1 (g/s)
Absolute Throttle Position 1 %
Bank 1 0xygen Sensor 1 Voltage
Bank 1 0xygen Sensor 2 Voltage
Bank 1 0xygen Sensor 3 Voltage
Bank 1 0xygen Sensor 4 Voltage
Bank 2 0xygen Sensor 1 Voltage
Bank 2 0xygen Sensor 2 Voltage
Bank 2 0xygen Sensor 3 Voltage
Bank 2 0xygen Sensor 4 Voltage
Run time since last Start (hours:mins)
Distance traveled with Check Engine Light On.
Fuel Pressure (Diesel)
Bank 1 Wide 0xygen Sensor 1 Lambda
Bank 1 Wide 0xygen Sensor 2 Lambda
Bank 1 Wide 0xygen Sensor 3 Lambda
Bank 1 Wide 0xygen Sensor 4 Lambda
Bank 2 Wide 0xygen Sensor 1 Lambda
Bank 2 Wide 0xygen Sensor 2 Lambda
Bank 2 Wide 0xygen Sensor 3 Lambda
Bank 2 Wide 0xygen Sensor 4 Lambda
EGR Flow %
EGR Flow % Error
Evaporative Purge %
Fuel Level % of full
Number of Warm-ups since Check Engine Light Cleared
Distance traveled since Check Engine Light Cleared
Evaporative System (PSI)
Barometric Pressure – Inches of Mercury (inHg)
Catalytic Converter Bank 1 Sensor 1 Temperature (oF)
Catalytic Converter Bank 2 Sensor 1 Temperature (oF)
Catalytic Converter Bank 1 Sensor 2 Temperature (oF)
Catalytic Converter Bank 2 Sensor 2 Temperature (oF)
Battery Voltage
Relative Throttle Position %
Outside Ambient Air Temperature (oF)
Absolute Throttle Position 2 %
Accelerator Pedal Position 1 %
Accelerator Pedal Position 2 %
Command Throttle Position %
Engine Oil Temperature (oF)
Mass Air Flow Sensor 2 – Calculated
Instantaneous MPG
Average MPG – General
Average MPH – General
Average G/H - General
Run Time – General
Distance – General (miles)
Fuel Used – General (Gallons)
Instantaneous Gallons/Hour
Fuel Level (in gallons or fuel to empty)
Distance to Empty(DTE) (miles)
Time to Empty(TTE) (Hours:Mins)
Volumetric Efficiency (MAP vehicles only)
Average MPH – Trip
Average MPG – Tripl
Fuel Used – Trip (Gallons)
Average Gallons/Hour – trip
Run Time – Trip (Hours:Minutes)
Distance -Trip (miles)
Oil Change Distance (miles)
Service Distance (miles)
UltraGauge Internal Temperature (oF)

[wickydude]

I use a cheap wifi obd connector from dx.com and the Enginelink app on my iphone.
The app isn't much, but it does the job...
The big plus of a SG or UG is that it does its work all the time, also when using the phone for music, calls or navigation.

[vskid3]

Originally Posted by nemo

I don't think the PDF makes an accurate comparison. Download the manuals for both and do your own. See two examples below.

I agree, my Ultragauge seems to have many more gauges available out of the box than my Scangauge did. I feel that the Xgauges are the biggest advantage the SG has, but they're mainly for hybrids and the SGe doesn't support them. And the current version of the Ultragauge can show 4, 6, or 8 gauges at a time, which is handy. For a Focus, the UG should do everything you need, unless there is some feature the SG has that you absolutely must have.
The SG does have great support, mine was having issues with my Escape Hybrid, they told me to send it in for them to check it, a week later I got it back with a CAN only cable that made it work perfectly. Haven't dealt with UG's support, but the rebate is terrible to do, I would just plan on it costing $70+shipping.

[bestclimb]

Originally Posted by uRabbit

"why not ultra gauge/"
This is why.

The features just are not there, dollar-for-dollar.

Really? even though scan gauge costs twice as much, and the only things that ultra gauge can't do that the scan gauge can are record a few maximum sensor readings, and custom user programed gauges.

Looking at the PDF some of the yellow and green highlighted features that the ultra gauge lacks and scan gauge has are highlighted in red in the ultragauge column (it has those features so, not sure what the color codes imply).