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Old 07-31-2019, 03:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How many miles do you think this $2,000 2010 dealership Prius has?

I cannot tell what submodel this is. It has fourteen pretty clear pictures. KBB says the least valuable version is the I. With default settings, it says the fair purchase price for one with 110,485 miles is $8,207. I put in 999,999 miles and it says $5,797.

Is KBB unrealistic for the mountains? Everyone says "This is truck country."
I see Prii infrequently.

Five years ago I met a nurse up here that described herself as an "Intellectual."

She had a Prius and she talked excessively about it, but nothing intellectual.

It automatically unlocked when she walked up and locked when she walked away. She could drive to Phoenix and back on one tank!

I honestly wonder if there is a single production car that couldn't.

I asked her about fuel economy.

"50?"
"Miles per gallon?"
"No..."
"Percent?"
"No..."

When she told me she had a Prius I responded "Oh! You have the one Prius on the mountain!"
"No, there are more Prien than any other car."

Right...

It seems obvious that if they do not advertise the mileage, one of the most important details of car buying, then it must be bad, but I looked at six other cars, and they only listed mileage on three of them. The highest averaged 12,600 miles a year.

Why do dealerships always write in all caps? I fixed that (and some spelling errors):
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2010 Toyota Prius
1.8l hybrid synergy drive 4 cylinder engine
Automatic transmission
Gray exterior
Gray cloth interior

Options:
Front wheel drive
Power windows
Power door locks
Power steering
Power side mirrors
Heat/AC
Steering wheel mounted climate controls
Cruise control
Am/FM stereo w/ CD player
Steering wheel mounted stereo controls
Fuel economy display
System info display
EV mode, eco mode, power mode
Rear spoiler
There are endless Prii elsewhere in Arizona. I found 27 at dealerships before Craigslist started showing me the wrong cars. I saw ads for 2004 to 2010 Prii (I excluded newer ones). The 2004s averaged 147,045 miles for $5,083. One of them was the cheapest at $4,671. A 2010 had the most miles at 225,725 miles. The most expensive was a 2007 with 49,499 miles for $10,850. There were 15 2010s! On average, the dealers were asking $7,620.13 for one with 139,544 miles.

I found 26 for sale by owner, a 2001 with 226,000 miles for $1,200 and nothing will work until some hero replaces the radiator fans, a 2009 with 37,600 miles, asking $14,800 (!), and 9 2010s, on average with 139,340 miles for $7,021.89. The Prius with the most miles was a 2007 with 238,000. They asked $3,000.

It is the only Prius in the area on Craigslist, although a 2008 GMC Sierra showed up for some reason. Are they a wholesaler? Here is a 2006 V6 Accord for $850! Here is a 2009 Focus for $1,995.

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Old 07-31-2019, 04:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Nuts. I attached all of the pictures from the dealership, but they disappeared!
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I don't like buying used cars from dealerships because they don't know the vehicle history and probably wouldn't be honest about it if they did. Owners know exactly what accidents they were involved in, what problems the car has had, and how often they changed the oil. Then there's the fact that the private market is about 20% lower cost since you're not paying for a showroom, salesmen, and coffee.

I bought a used car from a dealership once because the exact one was rare, and they sold it for private party price after it languished on the lot (luxury manual vehicles don't sell well in gridlocked Portland).
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Part of the reason that I bought my Subaru was because of my experience buying a 1997 Atima from the same place. In fact, I went to look at an Altima they had advertised on AutoTrader, but they just had Sentras and then they showed me the Forester.

I cannot find any mobile mechanics in the area. I would worry less about not knowing the history if it passed an inspection.

The dealership says they had third-party mechanics inspect each vehicle, they will provide the report, and receipts for any parts replaced.

Curiously, they have a link to CarFax on their main page, but the only way to look up their vehicles is request the VIN and pay for your own report. I did not think it cost dealerships too much for unlimited reports.

It seems that I was horribly wrong.

I do not have any idea if it has gone up or down, but according to a Jalopnik article from 2013, it used to be $899 to $1,549 per month.
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I had planned on being at the dealership when they opened, but I had a horrible time sleeping last night. Even though it was in the low sixties, I laid on top of my bed, and just sweated.

When I got up I kept thinking of things to research. Used Prius buyer's guide (didn't find anything useful), review of the dealership, etc. I harassed RedPoint and he suggested I installed Torque Pro and set up Prius-specific displays.

The ads were still up on Craigslist and the dealer's website. They did not respond to my e-mail asking about the VIN and mileage, so I drove out.

While I was overthinking, someone bought the car that I did not need and for which I did not have money.
I would have fixed up and sold both Hondas to pay the credit card debt.

It was sold hours ago, but the ads are still up. The Focus has 203,000 miles. The Accord is being sold for parts, which is not mentioned on-line.

The Prius was about $2,600 out the door.

It seems strange how helpful they were in-person, but they left out important details on-line.
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I am trying to be productive, I just wanted to find the tab that I needed, and I ran across this: https://accushineautosales.com/inven...-toyota-prius/

The same dealership is asking $2,795 for a 2008 Prius, which also has unspecified miles. I am not sure where that would be here. At the bottom of the cluster, hidden by the dash?



Allegedly they had the 2010 for long enough to lower the price. I do not have any idea how long that was, but here is the 2008 on Craigslist reduced to $2,395 less than twenty-four hours ago: https://showlow.craigslist.org/ctd/d...963904385.html

It is older, does it have more miles, and was the 2010 there long enough to be reduced multiple times?

KBB says that a 2008 should have 125,314 miles and is worth $6,337 from a dealership. Increase that to 999,999 miles and it plummets to $5,037, and $3,607 private party.
I wish that I still had the table I compiled of Prii on Craigslist, but when I checked Kelley a couple of weeks ago, it said the 2010 with suggested miles (15,000 fewer!) was worth 30% more and 60% more with 999,999 miles than the 2008.

They do not seem to post mileage if it averaged at least 13,000 yearly. If it has 165,000 miles, KBB says it is worth $5,694 retail, and $4,264 private party.

All things being equal, how would a 2010 with 999,999 miles be worth more than a 2008 with 165,000?

I might as well ask how many miles it has, but I would not have time to drive out until at least Wednesday afternoon. Unless it has under 200,000 miles, I would not bother further unless they reduced it again.

They also have a "Gas-saving" 2006 V6 Sienna minivan for $2,400.

When has any V6 or minivan been a gas-saver? (It is rated 19/26)

A private owner is selling a 2007 Prius with 228,000 for $2,500.
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You don't wait for a price reduction, you demand it as the terms of a sale. Demand (you) is the other half of the price equation, so waiting for the supply (them) side to set a reasonable price is silly. Course, I'm just repeating myself for the umpteenth time here.

The gen III Prius has some nice benefits over the gen II, such as zero belts. Since everything is electric, there are no accessory belts to replace. Now that the gen IV is out (and long in the tooth), I wouldn't even consider a gen II.

I might be selling my 2012 plug-in for ~$6k with 95,000 miles.
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250-350k miles

based upon the front seat wear..

Location matters for hybrids


so California or Hawaii will command a premium price for a gas saver

while any other state with a lower price will lessen the value



even KBB says a tahoe hybrid is worth $7,000 even with 840,000 miles

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I am trying to be productive, I just wanted to find the tab that I needed, and I ran across this: https://accushineautosales.com/inven...-toyota-prius/

The same dealership is asking $2,795 for a 2008 Prius, which also has unspecified miles. I am not sure where that would be here. At the bottom of the cluster, hidden by the dash?



Allegedly they had the 2010 for long enough to lower the price. I do not have any idea how long that was, but here is the 2008 on Craigslist reduced to $2,395 less than twenty-four hours ago: https://showlow.craigslist.org/ctd/d...963904385.html

It is older, does it have more miles, and was the 2010 there long enough to be reduced multiple times?

KBB says that a 2008 should have 125,314 miles and is worth $6,337 from a dealership. Increase that to 999,999 miles and it plummets to $5,037, and $3,607 private party.
I wish that I still had the table I compiled of Prii on Craigslist, but when I checked Kelley a couple of weeks ago, it said the 2010 with suggested miles (15,000 fewer!) was worth 30% more and 60% more with 999,999 miles than the 2008.

They do not seem to post mileage if it averaged at least 13,000 yearly. If it has 165,000 miles, KBB says it is worth $5,694 retail, and $4,264 private party.

All things being equal, how would a 2010 with 999,999 miles be worth more than a 2008 with 165,000?

I might as well ask how many miles it has, but I would not have time to drive out until at least Wednesday afternoon. Unless it has under 200,000 miles, I would not bother further unless they reduced it again.

They also have a "Gas-saving" 2006 V6 Sienna minivan for $2,400.

When has any V6 or minivan been a gas-saver? (It is rated 19/26)

A private owner is selling a 2007 Prius with 228,000 for $2,500.
Highway miles is only 10% wear and tear so 999k is only 99k true miles


STOP and go is like 200% wear and tear


so 100k city miles will have more engine wear
then a 100k highway miles



Why do you think people on CL claim it has "150k highways miles"


etc..


like mobil1 says our engine oil is good for 20k miles

they mean 20k highway miles



where in city mileage it might only be good for 25% of that or 5k miles

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