Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hybrids
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-28-2022, 03:11 AM   #21 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 10,394

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.24 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 28.06 mpg (US)

Chevy ZR-2 - '03 Chevrolet S10 ZR2
90 day: 17.14 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,609
Thanked 3,872 Times in 2,913 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
Perhaps I'm adjacent, but I haven't studied the theory much. I'm very inclined to allow individuals great latitude to succeed or fail. That said, it's extreme individualism that prevents a dominant force from emerging that organizes. Examples of this dysfunctional individualism is inventing imaginary sex identities, or any other "I identify as" nonsense.

I identify as supreme lord of all the universe, so not submitting to my truth means you're a bigot. There's limits to anarchy, and reality has a lot to do with it.

__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 06-28-2022, 11:07 AM   #22 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 10,330

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 248
Thanked 3,318 Times in 2,616 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Keith View Post
Details matter.

70% of those switching back did not have access to level 2 charging, and charging was a huge hassle for them.

Dropping that 20% down below 10% changes the picture a bit.
Yes my observation has been at least half of ev drivers only level 1 charged at home. Problem is some portion of the people who didn't have a level 2 receptacle installed may have tried and gotten like $3,000 to $5,000 quote because they needed a service upgrade.
I used level 1 for a few months to see how bad it sucked. I still had my gas car. I could drive the leaf 2 days, then the gas car 1 day and that was summer. I could tell winter was going to be every other day so I got that level 2 going. I used to get like 4.8 miles per kw level 1 charging. Now I get like 3.8 because I drive 75mph to and from work and don't worry about charging times.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2022, 11:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 23,384
Thanks: 6,600
Thanked 7,460 Times in 6,083 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by redpoint5
...you're a bigot. There's limits to anarchy,
You conflate anarchism and anarchy.
Quote:
Anarchism
Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is skeptical of authority and rejects all involuntary, coercive forms of hierarchy. Anarchism calls for the abolition of the state, which it holds to be unnecessary, undesirable, and harmful.Wikipedia
__________________
.
.

Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster
____________________

Not responsible for spelling until vBulletin's British-spelling leaning spell checker is fixed.
____________________
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
redpoint5 (06-28-2022)
Old 06-28-2022, 12:13 PM   #24 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 10,330

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 248
Thanked 3,318 Times in 2,616 Posts
Abolition of "the state" is one of the big points of Marxism.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2022, 02:18 PM   #25 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 23,384
Thanks: 6,600
Thanked 7,460 Times in 6,083 Posts
I take your point, but I think we're already over some invisible line.
__________________
.
.

Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster
____________________

Not responsible for spelling until vBulletin's British-spelling leaning spell checker is fixed.
____________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2022, 04:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
Posts: 166

Cx9 - '18 Mazda CX9 Grand Touring
90 day: 31.41 mpg (US)

Prius - '10 Toyota Prius III
90 day: 57.8 mpg (US)

Tundra - '00 Tundra V6 long bed base work truck
90 day: 19.4 mpg (US)
Thanks: 95
Thanked 82 Times in 58 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Keith View Post
Details matter.

70% of those switching back did not have access to level 2 charging, and charging was a huge hassle for them.

Dropping that 20% down below 10% changes the picture a bit.
That isn't representative of what I saw. A big chunk of early (middle-class) EV adopters had level 2 charging at home or work, but experienced horrific battery degradation that Nissan & Mitsubishi called normal in the Leaf & iMiev. True, those consumers often contributed to the battery degradation by fast charging to 100% in hot weather, but the manufacturers did a poor job of explaining battery care and capacity expectations.

The result was those consumers saw their $30,000-$40,000 car worth $5,000 in 5 years as it struggled to go 25 miles in the summer heat or winter cold. They had to give up after-work social activities because they only had enough range to go straight home.

A lot of those people swore off EVs altogether. My sister swore off EV-only and ended up buying a plug-in hybrid. And a PHEV remains a great choice for a 1-car owner - 100% of the commuting is electric, but then you've got 400 miles of gasoline range (and 3-minute refills) after that for spontaneous fun stuff.

Last edited by Drifter; 06-28-2022 at 05:07 PM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Drifter For This Useful Post:
redpoint5 (06-28-2022), rmay635703 (06-29-2022)
Old 06-29-2022, 09:11 AM   #27 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 10,330

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 248
Thanked 3,318 Times in 2,616 Posts
And that's why hybrids make sense for most people.

I have a leaf with a 2014 battery in it and I'm still at 80% capacity. Sounds like original chemistry leaf battery syndrome. The craptastic 2011- early2013 leaf batteries.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2022, 12:59 AM   #28 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 11,203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,390 Times in 1,238 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drifter View Post
PHEV remains a great choice for a 1-car owner
Which seems to be the case of the overwhelming majority of car owners on a worldwide basis, even at households with more than one car, or a car and a motorcycle.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Tags
lies, scam

Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com