07-11-2020, 06:23 PM
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CNG trucks are also signifigantly heavier than diesel trucks with similar range.
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That's one reason why I consider it more viable to use CNG on urban transit buses than in heavy trucks. Garbage trucks might be a good case for CNG as long as they can resort to biomethane extracted from the landfills.
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07-12-2020, 03:11 PM
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Garbage trucks should be battery powered by now. Short distances, high torque needed, constant starts/stops. Absolutely perfect job for a battery/electric drivetrain.
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07-13-2020, 12:34 AM
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But almost all municipalities want to buy the cheapest price garbage truck they can get, since it's just a garbage truck. No one cares if the garbage trucks are nice.
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07-13-2020, 05:00 AM
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Emission regulations are helping to speed that transition as NG trucks burn clean enough to avoid urea injection and particulate filters. They are as simple as pre-emission diesels.
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Particulate filters yes, urea injection no. Excess air is mandatory at low load for compression ignition, making the urea injection necessary. |
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07-13-2020, 10:41 AM
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But almost all municipalities want to buy the cheapest price garbage truck they can get, since it's just a garbage truck. No one cares if the garbage trucks are nice.
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Most of the munis I am associated with subcontract to Waste Management or one of their affiliates which are not noted for their concerns about anything but profit |
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07-13-2020, 09:07 PM
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Particulate filters yes, urea injection no.
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Natural gas avoids both, even if a dedicated-CNG engine would rely on direct injection. |
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07-13-2020, 11:55 PM
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Particulate filters yes, urea injection no. Excess air is mandatory at low load for compression ignition, making the urea injection necessary.
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Dedicated CNG engines like the Cummins L9N are spark ignition.
https://freightlinerads.azureedge.ne...2019-05-31.pdf
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CUMMINS ® WESTPORT L9N 8.9 LITER NATURAL GAS ENGINE
• Uses stoichiometrically-cooled EGR combustion
• EPA 2017 and CARB emissions standards compliant
• Available up to 320 HP, 1000 lb-ft torque
• No SCR aftertreatment system required
• Maintenance-free exhaust system
• No DPF regeneration, cleaning or replacement
• Spark-ignited
• Dedicated natural gas engine – no dual fuel
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07-14-2020, 04:50 PM
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Now that Scania is partnering with Cummins, it would be interesting if they tried ethanol in a spark-ignited engine initially developed for CNG. Might work better than the failed compression-ignition ethanol engines which required an ignition improver to be blended into the ethanol, plus it could allow a much useful limp-home mode once CNG is depleted. This could eventually be a good option for agribusiness in Brazil.
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