Hypothetical question : churchlady with an EV

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Cd

I knew something tasted a bit off when I ate my last pack of batteries.

The 'engineers' responsible for HOSTESS 'Twinkies' have volunteered to consult with the battery makers. So don't despair!

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Cd

I knew something tasted a bit off when I ate my last pack of batteries.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Cd

Ok - So if a used EV was bought with 70% battery still left; and it had been charged ' normally " ( maybe 30% quick charging )
How long would the battery last if :
1) It was only powered on and driven for around 4 miles a week
2 ) And charged once every two weeks or so ( maybe once a week, but rarely )
3 ) But used perhaps twice a year to make a 130 mile trip to see family. ( So about 280 - 300 miles round trip.
4) And left to sit in the driveway in hot Texas sun.

If this were an ICE car, 'Aunt Bertha' would still be able to get in that car after 30 years of taking this same trip and still have a running vehicle, nevermind dry rot tires and such.

From what I undestand, churchlady Bertha would only be able to drive her car like that for a few years before needing to replace the several thousand dollar battery, despite the car being virtually new.
Correct ?
( thanks )

No enough info.
What is the age / cycle count of the battery once it has reached 70% capacity? (To have degraded to 70% it has to be very old or have lots of cycles)
What is the battery chemistry? (LFP has roughly double the cycle life of NCA)
What type of battery management system is in the car?

If Church Lady Bertha drives an ICE car 4 miles a week for decades she is going to spend many thousands of dollars maintaining her car because seals and rubber components break down with age and she will go through several exhaust systems from filling it with water every week then letting it set.

[freebeard]

The muffler [or something] on my Metro agrees. It's taken to sounding like a WRX.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I remember seeing cars which were driven frequently, sometimes for a longer distance yet many other times the "housewife cycle", with the lower stream of the exhaust rotting. It's even more of an issue in my country due to the higher amount of ethanol added to the gasoline, and also the moisture in some places.

[Piotrsko]

Ive seen various mentions of 1,000; 2000 & 5000 charge discharge cycles life on lifepo4 but I dont know the conditions of those lifetimes. 1000 cycles would be +/- 20 years at that useage and in Cali the battery is good for 10 -15 at least. I got ten so far in the Ranger.

[Cd]

My neighbor had a Leaf and would hang a cord out her window to charge it. ( sounds like a joke, eh ? )
I live in an apartment.
As you can imagine, this was completely impractical and dangerous.
Not only were people tripping on her cord, but it was a fire hazard.
Seeing this, I gave up entirely on the idea of owning a Leaf.
Even if this girl charging her Leaf with a cord went to go charge at an actual charge station, she would have had to be there for hours and rack up a huge bill, since it is by the minute and not by the Kw.
It was only recently that I saw another resident here with a Leaf as well, and found out some have quick charging

I had the wrong idea about batteries, and thought that cold was worse than extreme heat.
( When it is cold and the battery dies )
I live in Austin.
The car would sit in 110 degree sun all day

How woukd this degrade the battery ?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Cd

I live in Austin.
The car would sit in 110 degree sun all day

How woukd this degrade the battery ?

I keep sayin it, but I wouldn't get a Leaf if I were you. I'd get a Bolt (or possibly Spark).

The Bolt regulates battery temperature so long as it has 40+% charge.

With how few miles you drive, you could L2 charge at grocery stores or other places you've got to visit periodically.

I thought about snaking a cord out my apartment window, but I was on the 3rd floor. There are cord protector ramps that prevent tripping.

[Cd]

Seeing the selection of mini SUVs makes me want to grab a Sawzall.
They all have such a huge frontal area ( Leaf included ! )


Looking at prices on used Sparks and Bolts also shows that they are about twice as expensive as some of the Leaves i have seen.

I may be able to find a Spark from a private seller for cheap, but I have the impression that the cars are cheap.

[aerohead]

I recently perused three websites dealing with residual values of used BEVs.
Current used car prices are around 200% what the values would without the current market distortions.
If you delay your purchase, you may find that your currency goes a lot further.
And lenders are 'punishing' consumers buying 'older' BEVs.
You my find a 'newer' car with more range for no more than an older car with less, after pushing a pencil around on a piece of paper.
My personal strategy is to keep saving, while eyeing the market.
There are no finance 'fees' at my credit union. Just simple interest.
CDs used as collateral will continue to compound, offsetting the loan rate, with less than a 3% spread between what I'll pay, and what I'll get.
My net worth continues to grow, and the credit union has time deposits to work it's fractional banking magic, and at zero risk.
The only time I ever had a car mortgage was with GMAC, in 1982. That cost me 47% interest, when the 'finance fee' was factored in. Something never mentioned at the time of the purchase.