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Old 01-14-2016, 03:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I read today that it can do 120 km/h in EV mode.
My Insight will only maintain 50 km/h in real EV mode, and just for a short while.

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Old 01-14-2016, 05:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I will perpetually disagree that Honda's IMA has a "real EV mode".

If the ICE is spinnin', it ain't EV!
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:58 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Ha!! I've done that (old car, engine died in the middle of an intersection). Can't do it on newer cars unless you bypass the clutch safety switch!
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I used to move my old Civic on the starter motor every once in a while as my driving instructor gave me that tip to move the car away from danger when it won't start, and even mailed an auto mag where the reporter pushed his misfiring car off a busy highway while the starter motor could apparently have solved that for him.

I stopped doing that when the starter motor mount broke and the motor was dangling down in the engine bay hanging on its power cable... Apparently the stresses on the motor mount were too big.

And Darin, I could not disagree more.
Who cares if the pistons move as long as it uses no fuel it is a pure EV. I can see it uses no fuel, the UltraGauge tells me so. It needs to move so it can resume operation smoothly when EV mode ends. It would be able to maintain EV mode slightly longer if the pistons did not move but it would also need to keep a bigger reserve to rerev the engine when EV mode ends.
By saying that the IMA system has no true EV capability Toyota implies that it cannot move under electic power alone, but it does that just fine. That, and the Prius' more optimistic EPA ratings, killed the Insight...
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Who cares if the pistons move as long as it uses no fuel
I care! It's inefficient.

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it is a pure EV.
I think the disagreement here is over the adjectives. Of course IMA has an EV mode. But it's neither "pure" nor "full" if it spins the ICE to do it and can't move the car from a stop.
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Old 01-15-2016, 01:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I care! It's inefficient.
I meant definition wise of course. Even so, this was a design choice. It would never do much EV work anyway. Now they could eliminate the flywheel, extra clutch and alternator, saving both cost and weight. That more than makes up for the bit of extra friction. It has the special valve mode anyway to teduce drag and prevent blowing cold air into the cats.

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I think the disagreement here is over the adjectives. Of course IMA has an EV mode. But it's neither "pure" nor "full" if it spins the ICE to do it and can't move the car from a stop.
Rotating the gearbox is fine, the clutch plates fine, but pistons no, even if the valves stay shut? That is just mechanics.
Not using fuel is my definition of pure EV, and it applies.
Not full EV, never said so. I wish it would move from a start in EV mode! Honda missed out on that. I bet it could easily if they just let it happen. Ah well.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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In the video it focused on the rear slats, sorry for the FE newb question, what do those do to help aerodynamics?

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I feel like I am missing a message. How do you move a car using the starter? Clutch interlock, starting a car without holding down the clutch? When my brother was a kid, my sister left him in the car when she ran inside the house. My brother kept turning the key and the car dented the garage door.

With my Prelude, I once wondered what happened when I held down the accelerator instead of the clutch. Funny how it simultaneously started and started moving. Then my clutch went out and I needed to figure out how to get it to my mechanic.

I cannot do that with my Civic, though.

Zach, I apologize, but I do not know what you mean by rear slats.
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I feel like I am missing a message. How do you move a car using the starter?
If it wasn't possible, how do you think GM would have used that BAS-Hybrid setup?

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