Go Back   EcoModder Forum > Off-Topic > The Lounge
Register Now
 Register Now
 


Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-27-2014, 08:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
Tyrant-at-large
 
Vman455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 1,724

Little Red - retired - '05 Honda Civic EX
90 day: 49.03 mpg (US)

Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two
Team Toyota
SUV
90 day: 57.92 mpg (US)
Thanks: 180
Thanked 1,507 Times in 801 Posts
I am not alone!

Rolled up to a stoplight that I always used to shut the engine off in my Civic because it's very long, and noticed that the car next to mine, a black VW Golf, had no lights on and I couldn't hear the engine running. Sure enough, just before the light turned green I heard the car start and saw the headlights flip on; he pulled in front of me before the next light and was clearly timing the lights.

This may not be a big deal to you city folk, but in the two years since I started driving thoughtfully I have not encountered another hypermiler in this small Midwest town. Now, I feel like Jodie Foster in "Contact."

__________________

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 02-27-2014, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
...beats walking...
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: .
Posts: 6,191
Thanks: 179
Thanked 1,521 Times in 1,122 Posts
While sitting in silence at those stoplights do you wonder "...where did those 18 minutes..." go? (wink,wink).
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2014, 11:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
XYZ
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: nowhere
Posts: 533
Thanks: 31
Thanked 86 Times in 69 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Tele man View Post
While sitting in silence at those stoplights do you wonder "...where did those 18 minutes..." go? (wink,wink).
I also do this often at long lights. But then I wonder while sitting there (sometimes sitting in the cold, without the benefit of having the heater warming me in winter): how much money have I saved in unspent fuel as compared to this recurrent wear on my starter? I've changed the starter on my car twice over many years, and replacing it isn't an easy task. Actually it's a b---h.

Maybe this routine balances out at best. Maybe I am just breaking even. If I'm only breaking even, I ask myself what's the point of doing it?
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to XYZ For This Useful Post:
Cobb (03-01-2014)
Old 02-28-2014, 12:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 21,771

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)

Winter beater Metro - '00 Chevrolet Metro
90 day: 61.98 mpg (US)

Fancy Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 58.72 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 66.29 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,484
Thanked 6,282 Times in 3,251 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Tele man View Post
While sitting in silence at those stoplights do you wonder "...where did those 18 minutes..." go? (wink,wink).
Very funny.

Also: Vman, I know what you mean. It's cool to encounter other ecodrivers in the wild! http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...day-24542.html
__________________
Latest mods: 3-cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage. EcoMods now in progress...
Ecodriving test:
Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 12:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 21,771

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)

Winter beater Metro - '00 Chevrolet Metro
90 day: 61.98 mpg (US)

Fancy Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 58.72 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 66.29 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,484
Thanked 6,282 Times in 3,251 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
I've changed the starter on my car twice over many years, and replacing it isn't an easy task. Actually it's a b---h.
Wow. What kind of car? (Make a garage entry -- helps.)

I haven't had to change a starter in decades! The last time was only because it was a crap component in mk1 Rabbit/Golfs, not because I was keying off much at all.
__________________
Latest mods: 3-cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage. EcoMods now in progress...
Ecodriving test:
Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 07:58 AM   #6 (permalink)
Hydrogen > EV
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NW Ohio, United States
Posts: 2,017

Snow White and the 6.2 Dwarfs - '11 Chevrolet Corvette LT2
Last 3: 26.46 mpg (US)

Silver Flea - '05 Honda Insight
90 day: 58.96 mpg (US)
Thanks: 981
Thanked 383 Times in 279 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
I also do this often at long lights. But then I wonder while sitting there (sometimes sitting in the cold, without the benefit of having the heater warming me in winter): how much money have I saved in unspent fuel as compared to this recurrent wear on my starter? I've changed the starter on my car twice over many years, and replacing it isn't an easy task. Actually it's a b---h.

Maybe this routine balances out at best. Maybe I am just breaking even. If I'm only breaking even, I ask myself what's the point of doing it?
I completely agree with your point. After a couple of times starting the engine, I realized A) extra starter wear, and B) how much fuel does my 3.7 use to crank over?

What I have started to do, is NOT cut the engine at lights unless I EOC up to the light, or I KNOW how long it will be. Back near my last college, there was a light that went in circles, with 6 angles, and a solid 2.5 minutes if you missed the light. Often, I will bump start my engine before coming to a complete stop to avoid having to crank it over. Either way I will need to start it, but that way I save a bit on the starter.
__________________





Best Tanks:
Mustang - 54.83 mpg (US) at the Green Grand Prix
Insight - 82.91966 mpg (US) over 818.5 miles.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 10:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
backpacker3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 384

Homer - '02 Pontiac Sunfire SE
Team Pontiac
90 day: 30.05 mpg (US)
Thanks: 13
Thanked 53 Times in 50 Posts
I was watching a mythbusters yesterday on hypermiling and they found with the all the devices they used for measuring gas mileage that sitting at a light used 0.5 gallons per hour if you figure that your car idles for about 30 minutes on a tank of gas you've used at least half a gallon of fuel to that do pretty much nothing. Considering modern fuel injected cars use the same amount of gas to start up as they do in 7 seconds of idling all you need to do is be stopped for at least 8 seconds to save gas
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 12:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
XYZ
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: nowhere
Posts: 533
Thanks: 31
Thanked 86 Times in 69 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by backpacker3 View Post
I was watching a mythbusters yesterday on hypermiling and they found with the all the devices they used for measuring gas mileage that sitting at a light used 0.5 gallons per hour if you figure that your car idles for about 30 minutes on a tank of gas you've used at least half a gallon of fuel to that do pretty much nothing. Considering modern fuel injected cars use the same amount of gas to start up as they do in 7 seconds of idling all you need to do is be stopped for at least 8 seconds to save gas
Yes, you'll save gas. But the more you use a starter, the faster it will wear out.

I still turn the engine off at lights that are known to be long. But for times of less than a minute it's probably a trade off with starter wear.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 12:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
doviatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Utah
Posts: 388

Grey Goose (Retired) - '89 Geo Metro LSI 4 door hatch back
Last 3: 57.16 mpg (US)

Tweety - '91 Geo Metro Convertible -2 Door convertible LSI
Team Metro
90 day: 43.97 mpg (US)

Shadow - '02 Honda Shadow VT1100
90 day: 43.46 mpg (US)

Sonic - '07 Honda CBR1000RR
90 day: 42.69 mpg (US)

Filmore - '84 Volkswagen Vanagon
90 day: 20.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 47
Thanked 44 Times in 31 Posts
The starter in my last Metro must have been from an army tank. It worked flawlessly the entire time I owned the car. I'm not sure how long it served the previous owner. The cool part is, the last six months of this wonderful cars life was driven without a clutch after it (clutch) failed. The starter was used at every stop to not only start the engine but to move the car, in first gear to get it going.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2014, 02:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 21,771

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)

Winter beater Metro - '00 Chevrolet Metro
90 day: 61.98 mpg (US)

Fancy Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 58.72 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 66.29 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,484
Thanked 6,282 Times in 3,251 Posts
Ha! An excellent starter story.

__________________
Latest mods: 3-cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage. EcoMods now in progress...
Ecodriving test:
Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com