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Ideas and guidance
Hi all
I have done a few things to make my car (2003 Mercedes C220 CDI coupe) more efficient.
- Run Tyres at max sidewall pressure
- Stop/Start buttons to allow for maximum EOC and no idling at traffic lights.
- keep the car empty most of the time
- run with the AC off
- 80% Grill block
- Recently serviced with thinnest oil that meets spec (0w-30)
- Warm air intake.
I do a fair few local journeys, and my last tank avg was 49 Imp MPG.
By stopping the engine at red lights and using the buttons has improved my town mileage by around 8-15MPG!
I am thinking of installing a Webasto diesel fired fuel heater. This will allow me to pre-heat my engine to 88Deg C using very little diesel. This should help for the smaller journeys and can be done with a remote control.
I am also going to be putting insulation blankets on top of the engine to keep it warm.
I am getting 65-75 Imp MPG on my common motorway journeys (mostly M25 so not exactly flat).
Is there anything I can do that I am missing to push that to 80-85mpg?
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04-29-2017, 06:45 PM
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Since it's a diesel the warm air intake and blocking the intetcooler may be hurting you.
Do install the heater.
I have been to London and the climate is pretty mild.
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04-29-2017, 06:59 PM
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1+ on the pre heater . Eberspaecher only burns .11 usg per hr with a normal run time of 15min (from an install teck).
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/40819d1100227477-c220-cdi-coupe-review-c220-cdi-front.jpg)
This image of a car in HARD cornering (Driving without brakes ecomodder style) shows that there is room for more air dam not much.
Alinment....
"Neutral" alinment. They normaly set the alinment for least driver input, =increased scuffing/resistance
Minimize use of "Defrost "settings ( plural) the system uses the AC compressor to dehumidifing the warm moist air before blowing it on a cold windscreen.
Belly pan /side skirts/ lowering
This new of a European car I assume the pan is mostly complete. Fill and smooth the under side.
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04-29-2017, 08:17 PM
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Since it's a diesel the warm air intake and blocking the intetcooler may be hurting you.
Do install the heater.
I have been to London and the climate is pretty mild.
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The IC is open (bottom section of the rad). The top of the rad is blocked.
Will think about the the warm air intake. IAT's are still low for this car. Will defo do the fuel heater.
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04-29-2017, 08:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gumby79
1+ on the pre heater . Eberspaecher only burns .11 usg per hr with a normal run time of 15min (from an install teck).
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/40819d1100227477-c220-cdi-coupe-review-c220-cdi-front.jpg)
This image of a car in HARD cornering (Driving without brakes ecomodder style) shows that there is room for more air dam not much.
Alinment....
"Neutral" alinment. They normaly set the alinment for least driver input, =increased scuffing/resistance
Minimize use of "Defrost "settings ( plural) the system uses the AC compressor to dehumidifing the warm moist air before blowing it on a cold windscreen.
Belly pan /side skirts/ lowering
This new of a European car I assume the pan is mostly complete. Fill and smooth the under side.
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Excellent.
I have the full undertrays. Its not cold enough at the moment to need the defrost system at the moment.
I may think about lowering it, I just put 2 new rear springs on it though so...
Will definitely use the webasto, even on warmer days, to pre heat.
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The intake air temp going into the engine only needs to stay above about freezing.
Below freezing hurts fuel economy and above about 90°F hurts fuel economy and power.
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Spoke in depth with a Cummins teck, he said target IAT is above the temperature the grid heater/glow plug/cold start aid is disabled. In my case 45°- 60° f is ideal , or as close to ambant as possible if above 60°. Check with Mercedes what temperature your cold start aid is disabled.
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best tank: distance 649gps mi 24.04 mpg 27.011usg
Best mpg : 31.32mpg 100mi 3.193 USG 5/2/20
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'83 GMC S-15 Jimmy 2door 2wd O/D auto 3.73R&P
'79 Chevy K20 4X4 350ci 400hp msd custom th400 /np205. 7.5-new 14mpg modded befor modding was a thing
87' Hyundai Excel
83 ranger w/87 2.9 L FI2wd auto 18mpg on the floor
04 Mitsubishi Gallant 2.4L auto 26mpg
06 Subaru Forrester XT(WRX PACKAGE) MT AWD Turbocharged 18 plying dirty best of 26mpg@70mph
95Chevy Blazer 4x4 auto 14-18mpg
04 Chevy Blazer 4x4 auto 16-22mpg
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04-30-2017, 03:36 AM
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The colder the air intake in a Diesel, the better. If you could set an adjustable air box, similar to what is used in some carburettor-fed small aircraft, that would be better than a WAI since it would allow you to select a warmer intake for cold start and restarts on stop-and-go traffic and pick colder air while cruising.
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04-30-2017, 04:53 PM
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Thanks for the input all.
Suppose it make sense. I was trying to keep the engine from cooling down on longer journeys. Suppose it hurts more than the thermal issues. I will re-install the inlet plumbing to see if I can push 80 MPG.
Hopefully that, combined with the Webasto pre heating, should net me good gains.
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05-01-2017, 02:04 AM
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Staying at operating temperature when it's cool out is a diesel car problem. It takes so little power to move the car and the diesel can be too efficient for it to stay warm.
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1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
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