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Old 04-15-2016, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Illinois looking to put a hurting on hybrids/EVs

Have you guys seen this? If it's already been posted, please delete.

Lawmaker proposes taxing Illinois drivers by the mile | abc7chicago.com

The idea is that hybrids and EVs aren't contributing to road maintenance because the money for it is built into the gas tax. Law proposed to tax 1.5 cents per mile or yearly flat tax of $450. Some sort of rebate makes it balance out for regular car drivers who would be taxed at the pump and on the road supposedly.

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Old 04-15-2016, 04:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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GVW x miles. All the way. Never forget GVW; that's what actually puts the hurting on roads.

But whatever system they put in place for verifying odometer readings every year will be more expensive than the system's worth.
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If you are using the roads, you should help pay for them. So, the logic is sound...

but this is a really poor way to implement it.
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Who are we to be so arrogant as to threaten the bloated bureaucracies revenue stream.

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Pay for road use sounds to me like micromanagement - the kind that kills freedom.

People don't go out on the road for the pleasure of using the road. They want to reach a destination.
If the road network is efficient and plentiful they reach it with ease.
If the road network is inefficient they spend more time and miles.
This by mile taxing system would reward inefficiency of the road system.
Making shortcuts would reduce state income.
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Problem is they wont replace the old system with the new and improved one.
It will just be in addition to what they already have and pay.

If the government sees you saving too much money on something like fuel they are not going to let you keep it, nooooo that is not how it works.
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Don't forget the additional tax, that taxes the tax that was taxed .
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Just try to list every tax you pay, including those that are disguised as fees and other terms.

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Pay for road use sounds to me like micromanagement - the kind that kills freedom.

People don't go out on the road for the pleasure of using the road. They want to reach a destination.
If the road network is efficient and plentiful they reach it with ease.
If the road network is inefficient they spend more time and miles.
This by mile taxing system would reward inefficiency of the road system.
Making shortcuts would reduce state income.
This is also what happens with toll lanes like on the 405 around Seattle. Now the government actually has an incentive to make traffic more congested as the toll varies based on how much time it saves you. The more congested the regular lanes, the higher the toll and the the more pure profit for government to waste on something else. Those lanes were mainly converted carpool lanes which did more to ease traffic then special lanes full of BMWs, Mercedes, and Lexus ever will. Some new lanes were built but mainly "merging" lanes which also just make it worse with extra lane changing and on top of it all everything was paid for from existing gas taxes paid for by the folks in the even more congested working class lanes.

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