Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-25-2018, 04:16 PM   #2851 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,158
Thanks: 120
Thanked 2,790 Times in 1,959 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
Except it doesn't? The side view shows three-row seating. The Jones patent does show the trailing wheel tracking the outside front.
We need better information on the Pillbug's seating layout, maybe some of the patents were not utilized.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...rwagen-109011/



///KarzN****///: '36 Schlörwagen Pillbug


The Schlörwagen: The Autobahn Cruiser That Wasn't - Revivaler

Quote:
Interestingly the Schlörwagen had good interior space for the driver and six passengers who were seated on two bench seats each accommodating three adults. The driver position was central at the front ahead of the two bench seats.
Maybe it was for a flat radial engine?

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...0s-325-14.html


The Schlörwagen or “Pillbug†– A Slippery Little Teardrop Car | The Old Motor
Quote:
Our curiosity was piqued by the patent drawing we discovered of a very similar car from more than a decade earlier by an obscure Romanian engineer named Aurel Persu. While Schlör’s design bears an uncanny resemblance to it, this was more likely attributable to the unchanging laws of physics rather than any conscious attempt on his part to steal the idea.
Either or?

__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

Chin Spoiler:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...effective.html

Rear Spoiler Pick Up Truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...xperiment.html

Roof Wing
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018), freebeard (10-25-2018)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-25-2018, 04:26 PM   #2852 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,158
Thanks: 120
Thanked 2,790 Times in 1,959 Posts
We have seen vintage photos of this vehicle before, but this model exposes us to some new views.

Persu Experimental limousine
Model Cars
https://www.hobbydb.com/catalog_item...ousine/gallery

__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

Chin Spoiler:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...effective.html

Rear Spoiler Pick Up Truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...xperiment.html

Roof Wing
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018)
Old 10-25-2018, 10:31 PM   #2853 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 7,907

Mica Blue - '05 Scion xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.48 mpg (US)

Forest - '15 Nissan Leaf S
Team Nissan
90 day: 156.46 mpg (US)

Number 7 - '15 VW e-Golf SEL
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 155.81 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,475
Thanked 2,950 Times in 1,844 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by kach22i View Post
Maybe it was for a flat radial engine?
No, it was built on a Mercedes 170H chassis which was a rear engine:



__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to NeilBlanchard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018), freebeard (10-26-2018)
Old 10-26-2018, 11:01 AM   #2854 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
redneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: SC Lowcountry
Posts: 1,795

Geo XL1 - '94 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Boat tails and more mods
90 day: 72.22 mpg (US)

Big, Bad & Flat - '01 Dodge Ram 3500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 21.13 mpg (US)
Thanks: 226
Thanked 1,353 Times in 711 Posts
.





https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-mclare...-th-1830020270

The McLaren Speedtail - The New Ultimate Series Hyper-GT - McLaren Automotive


Beautiful car.

I want one...

Just need to win the lottery...




>
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to redneck For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018), NeilBlanchard (10-29-2018)
Old 10-26-2018, 01:34 PM   #2855 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,695
Thanks: 7,775
Thanked 8,584 Times in 7,068 Posts
5:06 'Ticket window'.

It's nice and all, but there's something hanging down next to the left rear tire. Needs rear fender skirts.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018)
Old 10-27-2018, 11:08 AM   #2856 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,158
Thanks: 120
Thanked 2,790 Times in 1,959 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
No, it was built on a Mercedes 170H chassis which was a rear engine:
Right, I've seen and posted that image before self.

What I meant to say was Pill bug Mercedes rear engine - known.

Persu has various packaging layouts on various cars including a horizontally opposed Boxer flat engine in the middle of the car and under the seats.

If the seating turntable was not a feature in that earlier image, then could one scheme with a Patent accommodate and be planned for as a flat radial engine...............is what I was trying to get at.

The three theories for the circle in plan are:

1. Simply a structural feature, a circle in lieu of a wishbone or "X" cross framing common back in the day.

2. A seating turntable fitment point (like a gun turret).

3. A structural opening intended for under floor pan cooling/access for a mid-engine.........might be a flat Boxer engine (A), might be a flat radial engine (B), might even be a battery pack location for an electric version (C), the options are dependent on your imagination (E to be named).

Passenger Car Aerodynamics
The Recumbent Bicycle and Human Powered Vehicle Information Center

Quote:
Electrolite el-11, a 3 wheeled electrothon vehicle built by E. Michael Lewis

2011
Bizarre-looking Japanese EV is most aerodynamic production vehicle ever
https://www.zdnet.com/article/bizarr...-vehicle-ever/

Quote:
Plenty of experimental vehicles have achieved this level of streamlining before, but what makes the SIM LEI different is that it's a car you could actually see a small family using as its primary vehicle. Or at least in Japan, where small cars are already the norm. The car is unusually long for its width, in order to accommodate cargo and further reduce its air resistance.
__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

Chin Spoiler:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...effective.html

Rear Spoiler Pick Up Truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...xperiment.html

Roof Wing
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html

Last edited by kach22i; 10-27-2018 at 11:16 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018), NeilBlanchard (10-29-2018)
Old 10-27-2018, 01:16 PM   #2857 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,695
Thanks: 7,775
Thanked 8,584 Times in 7,068 Posts
I remember that one. The anti-intrusion bars are on the outside of the doors so as to make them thinner.

Quote:
The three theories for the circle in plan are:
4. A bearing for a circular jack so it can be turned around in the driveway in zero length?
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2018, 03:20 PM   #2858 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
The Mother Of All Cupholders.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2018, 04:41 PM   #2859 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,158
Thanks: 120
Thanked 2,790 Times in 1,959 Posts
You guys make me laugh, thanks.

https://www.designboom.com/technolog...ar-05-23-2018/



https://www.treehugger.com/cars/meet...ar-future.html



https://www.designboom.com/technolog...us-10-10-2018/


Quote:
volkswagen has announced plans to release a commercial version of its electric microbus, the I.D. buzz, to market at some point in the early 2020s. the german carmaker first presented its concept for an electric update of its transporter van last year. the concept’s commercial twin will be called the I.D. buzz cargo.
__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

Chin Spoiler:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...effective.html

Rear Spoiler Pick Up Truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...xperiment.html

Roof Wing
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-27-2018), NeilBlanchard (10-29-2018)
Old 10-27-2018, 04:51 PM   #2860 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,158
Thanks: 120
Thanked 2,790 Times in 1,959 Posts
What's the deal with these from intake inlets at the corners?

How aero is this?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...d-LA-Auto-Show


https://e-nenpi.com/article/detail/307128





__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

Chin Spoiler:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...effective.html

Rear Spoiler Pick Up Truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-t...xperiment.html

Roof Wing
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-30-2018)
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Electric Cars Push Japan Engine Parts Makers to Crisis Mode tjts1 The Lounge 14 12-23-2012 12:47 PM
Name that Eco Car! Quiz: identify these aerodynamic production cars MetroMPG Aerodynamics 16 08-30-2009 05:24 AM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com