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Old 03-18-2014, 07:42 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Put as many throttle plates as you want between the air filter (main entrance) and the engine, when the plate is closed the idle control valve act as a bypass, as long as the main entrance is open there is not much restriction. higher compression = better fuel efficiency, with clogged filter we can not achieve optimum compression, there will be some misfires going on that you may not even feel.
I never had K&N filter, I always use OEM parts and change them as needed but I like to try for my self and see the result. I guess the air/fuel ratio sweet spot is laying between the oil companies and the air filter manufacturers.

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Old 03-18-2014, 07:56 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Kind of like how the government used sodas to spread AIDS?

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Frack,I was half way into a reasoned description of how an engine works to try and explain to Honda where they are missing the big picture and I accidentally deleted it....always puts you in a good mood, NOT.

Honda, you need to look into engine basics, you aren't making sense with what you post. I think Mr.Frank is trying to be polite with his "What?"

You're really off track in your thinking, It would take a lot for us to try and educate you, and It really is your own responsibility to try and teach yourself, using the internet & google, regarding how fuel injected gasoline engines create and control power.

Maybe start Here, and Here

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Wow, what an active thread for the Unicorn section.

Just out of curiously, how many miles are you getting from your paper air filter?

I went to the K & N website to look at the horsepower gains they claim and found a page of disclaimers :-( seems the lawyers worked overtime. K&N Published Estimated Horsepower Gains and K&N Dynamometer Test Results

It would make sense that you could gain a few horsepower at wide open throttle, if the filter is letting more air (and dirt) flow through. But this would do little at normal driving since the throttle plate restricts at anything below full throttle. With the new drive by wire systems, who knows what the non OEM filters do to the performance and MPG.
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I guess this is one of those forums that one is like....I have almost 10,000 posts therefore I know better than you, you newbies are talking none sense, keep your mouth shut newbies or else.
I used to teach engine basics more than a decade ago, I will keep my none sense to my self, these are my last words on this forum.
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Sorry if I offended, really didn't mean to. It's just that you focus on the idle bypass, and talk about high compression as being the most efficient engine operating condition. These things are part of the engine operation but are not really factors in the discussion at hand. If you taught engine basics than you should understand that a modern engine will compensate for a clogged filter, or no filter, by ensuring the the proper amount of air on a molar scale will be admitted into the cylinder for a given amount of fuel and a given power demand.

It really is apparent by what you write that you don't seem to grasp that. If I'm mistaken, than please show me a website that will educate me just as I tried to point out 2 good web pages for you to show engine basics.

I want to learn, Do you?
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I have the nearly 10k posts so it must be my fault.

Rather than listen to what the subsequent posters politely said, you opt to take all your marbles and go home. That's not necessary but it's up to you.

The rest of us just want the bottom line truth out there.
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Well, is our work in this thread finished? I really feel like you guys were trying to help. I do not know what the problem was.

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