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Old 09-20-2014, 04:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Does it have IRS yet, or is it still stuck pre-1950s ?

There is a reason why US cars do not sell anywhere else.

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IRS? Nice but overrated.
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IRS = independent rear suspension, vs a live rear axle.

Since this is a render of a luxury car that may come in the future, and the model it is based on has IRS- I would imagine so.

I'd be awful shocked if it had a live rear axle!
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I dunno... To me, that is just effing SICK.

But it'd still be the same basic car underneath, just as a Cadillac is just a Chevy with some cosmetic tweaks to the sheet metal, some bells & whistles, and maybe a leather interior.
I love my cadillac, though I wish I had held out to find a DI model with the manual trans. Sometimes the automatic stuff gets annoying, automatic wipers, climate control, headlights. Even the traction contol, I wish it defaulted to off... I mean, sometimes I just want to make smoke and go sideways.

Drivetrain is pretty much all that stays the same between chevy and cadillac. But cadillac gets more noise dampening.
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Live axle gets a lot of flak it doesn't deserve. I have put a lot of miles on a lot of both IRS and live axle equipment, the ride difference isn't that great. Handling is maybe a slightly different question, but then even when I was more about performance, handling wasn't something I was concerned about. I really don't see the big hullabaloo about great handling cars. Even my Echo does more than well enough, and it's a crappy handling car by today's standards. My mustang was a handful but able to keep up with a lot of modern equipment provided you were very much paying attention.

In all fairness, I'm going to get a hot rod next year. We're talking solid axles front and rear, most likely both with transverse leafs. Hey, the latter is Corvette stuff!
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Since this is a render of a luxury car that may come in the future, and the model it is based on has IRS- I would imagine so.
The Mustang now has IRS - about time

That tapped I've found quite a few FWD cars with solid rear ends even in the 21st century...
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The Mustang now has IRS - about time

That tapped I've found quite a few FWD cars with solid rear ends even in the 21st century...
Oh, my apologies- it seems like everyone is all about this IRS stuff. I could not care less.

I like to feel the road. I like the bumps. I like the hops. I like driving FR in the winter, and slamming gears all day through every season. Everything and it seems everyone wants to be smoother, and more automated, and less involved. It makes me sad :/

That said, unless some serious trimming occurs before a Lincoln model goes into production, it's going to be FAT. Not quite challenger, but right there with Camaro- if not heavier.
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Having IRS vs a solid axle doesn't mean a car becomes less "involved" - just drive a Mk1 MX5 as a worked example. Having a solid axle in the 21st century just seems lazy on the part of the maker though.
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Oh, my apologies- it seems like everyone is all about this IRS stuff. I could not care less.

I like to feel the road. I like the bumps. I like the hops. I like driving FR in the winter, and slamming gears all day through every season. Everything and it seems everyone wants to be smoother, and more automated, and less involved. It makes me sad :/.
I agree. I want an engaging driving experience. I don't want to feel as though I'm driving my living room down the highway. Nor do I want to feel that way on my commute. I love lateral g's.

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