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Old 06-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv....html#c1271436

Recent Auto Recalls Result of Multi-national Cyber Attack

Detroit – Six major automakers today held an unprecedented joint press conference to announce the result of investigations into the spate of recent recalls. GM, Ford, Fiat/Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, and Nissan met with their major electronic module suppliers Delco, Bosch, and Mitsubishi. All recently issued major recall campaigns to address rough idling, high gas consumption, and PCM (powertrain control module) failures.

Albert Darrow, chief counsel for GM, released the following:

“This week the major automakers worked diligently to understand what we now know was an cyber attack on our industry. A multi-national group, funded by oil producing and electronics manufacturing countries, engineered a virus that attacks our PCMs, causing them to overwork their output drivers until the drivers fail. What begins as poor mileage causes complete engine failure within about 4 weeks.

When we asked how this was possible, we found three critical factors. In 2012 a group of thoughtless computer science researchers in Washington and California reported that automotive systems were not protected against hackers. These results alone were irrelevant, the automobile is a closed system not connected to anything. The US Department of Transportation and international counterparts in the 1980s required that all cars include an OnBoard Diagnostics port (called OBD-II in the US and EOBD elsewhere) connected to the PCM to facilitate emissions maintenance. Several insurance companies made devices, devices not sanctioned by the auto manufacturers, which plug into the OBD-II and connect to the Internet.

Insurance companies failed to warn customers that these devices were dangerous. In fact the insurers, in the form of lower premiums, paid customers to install the devices. The government mandate for OBD-II made all cars vulnerable, creating what security researchers termed a monoculture. Government was aware of the risks caused by mandating a monoculture, but since it was only discussed in obscure security blogs the industry was unaware of it. Under the recent cyber-security regulations, the Department of Homeland Security took responsibility for protecting automobile infrastructure from cyber-attack, and they did nothing to prevent this.

We have identified over 150 million autos in the US that are vulnerable to this virus. It has spread to every dealership and emissions inspection station in the country, and there is no means to eliminate it. Any car that has been to the dealer in the last 6 months should be considered infected. All infected cars will fail in the next 3-4 months. Estimates to replace these cars begin at $3 trillion. We call upon the government, in light of their substantial fault in the matter, to institute an immediate program to compensate victims. We expect to have new cars, without the vulnerabilities, on the market within 6 months. The PCMs will be designed and built by a consortium of defense contractors; knowledgeable of the techniques needed to make computers invulnerable to such attack. Unfortunately, old PCMs cannot be retrofitted. Thank God we had an American cyber-industry available to help when this war on cars was started.”

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Old 06-16-2013, 11:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No way could this be a real story. If it were, it would have been front page news months ago.
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Old 06-16-2013, 12:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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that, and i cant think how failing output drivers would result in engine failure.
i was thinking, maybe running lean. but in the last year i repaired (after about several hours worth of diag) a 98 chevy express van, that had failing injector drivers. after a different pcm, engine ran fine
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yet another drive-by conspiracy theory by Suspect.

If this were true, why hasn't everyone been made aware.

If this were true, my car will not last more than 4 more months.

Why does the article say that vehicles need to be replaced, rather than the "vulnerable" PCM?

I have a progressive Snapshot device in the ODB2 port, and it does not modify the PCM.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think many PCMs would use ROM (Read Only Memory), so the programming could not be altered once the chip was burned. Even if EEPROM were used, it would require a reflash and reprogramming to "infect" the vehicle.
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Old 06-16-2013, 09:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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<sigh> ... it is one of a set of potential movie plots, requested on April 1st by Bruce Schneier... see Schneier on Security: Sixth Annual Movie-Plot Threat Contest Semifinalists. Not a true story.

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Old 06-16-2013, 09:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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We actually talked about this in an anti-terrorism briefing that was put on by the Nebraska TAG. It was a brainstorming session where we considered many different forms of terrorism/cyber terrorism. Someone at the conference was a GM technician, and he basically said that it was basically impossible to remotely damage/reprogram any of the ECU's currently in use. He said there would be a way bigger/realistic chance of something like OnStar getting hacked and inconveniencing people for a short period of time. I think this topic never made it to the "big board" that was discussed later on.
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HAHA this is stupid even if the devices could send data to the PCM they would have to pull the current tune as there could be 20 different versions of based on gears updates injectors or just a different program layout. Thats all for the same engine trans combo.

If it did that it would have to locate the address of what it wants to change know the offset if it is 8bit or 16bit. After it is changed correct the checksum then have the car in the run position with the engine off for 1-5min depending on PCM speed.

If that happens to fix it all you need to do is reburn the stock tune.

Burning out the injector drivers LOL I think people would know something is up when the car is smoking or the exhaust starts dripping gas from running a max fueling the whole time.

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