Looking at a 2000 Insight tomorrow!

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Reloadwin

Now before there are any negative comments here are the reason why, the drive train where the electric motor and ICE connect to put power to the wheels. Honda missed it, they have the ICE and electric motor connected together.

I've often wondered why honda didn't just put the electric motor on the xmsn side with a clutch between for the ice to shift? No need for a planetary at all, or better yet put it between the final drive and the xmsn in the transaxle, then it could "brake" even when the ice was in neutral.

The beauty of the Honda is that the original beats the Prius hands down highway FE and it is simple and easier to repair.

Try to fix a burn't Prius xmsn?

[MetroMPG]

FYI for future reference:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ems-18892.html

[pete c]

there is no "best" one.

the insight is superior when driven outside of city traffic. the prius is better in the city where it can run in EV mode. also, the insight can be hypermiled with it's manual trans.

get what works for you.

[payne171]

If FE is the primary goal and you don't need the back seat/extra space, the Insight is superior to the Prius. Even in city driving, the two are about equal. Outside of city traffic, the two aren't close. You also have a car that has a cult hyper mile modding following that can hit some pretty extreme FE numbers. BUT, it cannot touch a Prius on running clean; the lean burn that makes the manual Insights incomparable at highway mileage hurts its emissions.

[MetroMPG]

Just as an aside, the lean burn Insight was still rated by the EPA as ULEV. Probably "dirtier" than a Prius, but better than average.

ULEV = "emits 50% less polluting emissions than the average for new cars released in that model year."

[Cd]

Sorry about catching you late on this, but in case you missed it, you might want to look at this add here

Honda : Insight Honda : Insight - eBay (item 260955967546 end time Feb-19-12 16:56:44 PST)

My girlfriends car has developed engine problems and it's costing more than we anticipated, so i'm going to pass on the purchase. Good luck !

[deathtrain]

damn if i knew you where selling i would have found the money and come and got it I am out of houston.

[Cd]

Originally Posted by deathtrain

damn if i knew you where selling i would have found the money and come and got it I am out of houston.

It's apparently still for sale ! He wants $ 3,500 as a 'take home' price.
It looks like he might get more than that since the current bid is close to that, but i would try never-the-less.

go for it !

[Cd]

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Just as an aside, the lean burn Insight was still rated by the EPA as ULEV. Probably "dirtier" than a Prius, but better than average.

ULEV = "emits 50% less polluting emissions than the average for new cars released in that model year."

The manual Insight I gen was rated as a ULEV while the auto was actually rated cleaner with a SULEV rating

"Examples of hybrid vehicles delivering SULEV emissions performance include the Honda Insight.

A conventionally powered example is the Ford Focus SULEV variant. In 2005, General Motors' 3800 Series III V6 engines became the industry's first gasoline V6s to carry the SULEV rating and can be found in the Pontiac Grand Prix (optionally supercharged), Buick LaCrosse, and the Buick Lucerne.

Honda's 2006 Civic Hybrid is another example of a SULEV vehicle, in addition to getting almost 45 miles per US gallon (5 L/100 km; 54 mpg-imp). Honda was one of the first car makers to offer SULEV vehicles, starting with 2000 model year Honda Insights (Though only the CVT version attained this rating. The manual transmission version, due to its Lean burn, got a ULEV), one model of the 2000 Honda Accord (special SULEV version of the EX 4-cylinder model, available in California) and the Natural Gas powered Honda Civic GX.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_U...ission_Vehicle

[payne171]

That is correct, the CVT is cleaner because it was not available with lean burn in the US. The downside is that without lean burn, it doesn't get any better mileage than a Prius, only with a less reliable battery and no back seat.