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freebeard · 11-05-2019, 03:14 PM

If the cartels didn't have drugs it would be something else. Slavery for instance.

I'm also concerned about the Northern border. Twice as long and unprotected, and the state hasn't failed yet but they couldn't shake off Trudeau.

oil pan 4 · 11-05-2019, 03:28 PM

They deal in slavery too.
The political correctness hall patrol calls it's "human trafficking" for some reason. I'm like why not call it what it is.
Why the attempt to dress it up to not sound so bad?

freebeard · 11-05-2019, 03:42 PM

I chose the word knowlingly. The cartels need a little of A-10 Warthog singing the song of it's people.

oil pan 4 · 11-05-2019, 03:46 PM

The war on drugs has only rarely been fought like an actual war.

freebeard · 11-05-2019, 04:51 PM

Another story old as time. China had it's Opium Wars, Americans shipped home from Vietnam with bags of heroin [Oxford comma] in their coffins.

redpoint5 · 11-05-2019, 04:58 PM

Demand is the other half of the problem. There'd be no cartel if there was no demand. Nobody is innocent.

That said, it's absolutely absurd that Mexico can't win a fight against thugs (no matter how heavily armed and numerous they are). Heck, Texans (civilians) could probably mount a counter against a hypothetical cartel takeover.

RedDevil · 11-05-2019, 05:29 PM

It is like All Darc says - stop using drugs and the cartels lose their main source of income.
The problem is not just with the provider. It is the clients that keep giving them money.

Somehow some people still think it is cool to use drugs; they look no further than their own pleasure. But they are responsible for the misery widespread drug trafficking causes, with all the corruption and dysfunctional governmental and police agencies in Latrin America as they get overwhelmed by the drug cartels.
Hundreds of millions of people live in misery because of drug trade. How 'cool' is that?

It may be impossible to completely defeat all drug use.
There seem to be some cases where cannabis could help, like in reducing the effects of MS. So maybe legalize and regulate the mildest forms, but educate the people about the havoc illegal drug trade causes.

redpoint5 · 11-05-2019, 05:38 PM

I don't blame opiate manufacturers either (unless they are selling through illicit channels). How are providers to determine if people need narcotic pain medication or not, since pain is subjective and impossible to convey? Even then, the body learns to generate pain to influence the response of seeking out medication.

I was on opiates for 2 months for my back, but I limited myself to half a tab of codeine every 4 hrs regardless of how much pain I was in. It probably takes extreme discipline to keep from developing addiction.

It is silly we don't have a national database for health records. It would be impossible to get 10 different prescriptions from 10 providers and fill them all if there was a single database with all that info.

Fat Charlie · 11-05-2019, 05:39 PM

It's all market driven. You'd think Mexico would declare war on drug consumers up here, what with our funding armies of criminals down there.

freebeard · 11-05-2019, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Demand is the other half of the problem. There'd be no cartel if there was no demand. Nobody is innocent.

I'm not going to point fingers because that would be hypocritical. But people could use a little discernment about their sourcing. Local sources are light years beyond the ditchweed coming over the border.

And the Fentanyl is an act of aggression.