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Old 04-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Those of us who drive a lot already pay. Only the first tank is free. And some manufacturers don't even fill the tanks before lending it out again. Borrow a big-engined sportscar and you'll be paying through the nose for a week's worth of driving, unless you hypermile... which is frustrating on something with three hundred to four hundred ponies.

Frustrating because hardcore hypermiling nets you the same economy you'd get in a Mirage if you were pinging off the rev limiter everywhere.

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One shuold look at:
- Buyng price
- Period of owning car
- Mpg, and yearly milage avarge need
- Taxes
- servicecost per year
- valueloss over owner period/years

And from that calculate the real price per mile for the car, and then choose the cheapest. A cheap car like the Dacia will most likely take a big hit on the resaleprice, and thus be expencive per mile in value loss, and if it also travels fewer mpg, and cost more in tax, it can be a bad buy, even though its cheap to com by in the first place.

Often it's not the cheapest car in price, that are the cheapest car to drive during for instance a 5 or 8 year period.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:42 PM   #33 (permalink)
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The best thing you can say about this car is that it has round wheels.
I have a feeling its got to be better than the 1970 subaru 360 I have and more refined than my 1981 comutacar.

I also have a feeling it surpasses the geo metro on several regards, though not necessarily MPG.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:41 AM   #34 (permalink)
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The most hilarious thing about the 1.0L version of the car in the UK: you can only get one in white! Like we needed a reason to compare it to the Ford Model T!
Actually, the Dacia Sandero that Arragonis compared it to, also comes in very few and non-metallic colours if you want the lowest possible sticker price.
White and blue.

Against most biased analysts and analysis, Dacia has shown that there is a hugely booming market for cheap-ish, no-nonsense cars in Europe.

They are filling the void left by the Japs and Koreans who were going up-market, after VW who hadn't built a Volks wagen in years.
VW came down to earth again with the up! - well, sort of - and it is selling very well.
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This is likely why reviews from this side of the world are more favorable, like mine:
Review: Mitsubishi Mirage GLS MT - Drives | TopGear.com.ph

Make no mistake... it's still horribly soft. I've driven one at 100 mph (not km/h, mph) on an elevated highway and it was all over the place.
I've had a 75 HP VW up! up to 160 kph (indicated) on a windy, wet, rainy day - just don't tell the dealer - and it's got none of that horrible, mushy and uncertain feeling in the steering and suspension.

It shows you can make a budget car that also drives and handles well.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:17 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Aren't people paid to communicate hired on their ability to bring in money? People love beautiful and impractical things (I wonder why dating is so difficult) and people criticizing other people. On Saturday I went to dinner with my sister, her family, and a few of her friends, and all that I did was eat everyone else's leftovers (my sister did not actually order me any food). I had wanted to discuss some topics, but did not have the chance, as they busily talked about "comedians" that I do not find to be remotely humorous as they mock one person after another.

Anyway, the real question is: What is the Cd and what kind of mileage would it get with a full boat tail, belly pan, mirror delete, and pizza pans?
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I've had a 75 HP VW up! up to 160 kph (indicated) on a windy, wet, rainy day - just don't tell the dealer - and it's got none of that horrible, mushy and uncertain feeling in the steering and suspension.

It shows you can make a budget car that also drives and handles well.
Maybe if Mitsubishi had spent more on the suspension. The VW UP costs more than the Mirage, though, five door to five door... (out here).

As I've said... the chassis feels solid and predictable. The trouble is entirely in how soft the springs and bushings used are.
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In Asia, Thai production is a bonus for the price. The competition over here is mostly small Asian-market Nissans, the Honda Brio, the Koreans and the Indians. [...]

This is likely why reviews from this side of the world are more favorable, like mine: Review: Mitsubishi Mirage GLS MT - Drives | TopGear.com.ph
Yup, context is everything.

And speaking of that: I see the Philippines motoring press just voted Mirage as Car of the Year.

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The trouble is entirely in how soft the springs and bushings used are.
Maybe I'm naive, but a "fix" at the manufacturing level shouldn't cost much at all. Some owners on the forum are already beginning to talk about suspension mods.
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Shouldn't cost anything. Spec a bigger roll bar, stiffer springs, harder durometer bushings, and presto.
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Shouldn't cost anything. Spec a bigger roll bar, stiffer springs, harder durometer bushings, and presto.
Presto- the Mirage Evo!

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