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Old 07-15-2020, 01:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Musk - No Standard Range Model Y

Elon Musk said on twitter than Tesla will not make the Model Y Standard Range It was suppose to start production in Spring 2021 and sell for $40,000

Currently the cheapest Model Y is $50,000

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Curious where the $40k prediction came from? The latest I had heard was it would be about $10k more expensive at all levels. That's still a bit more than the standard range Model 3, which can be had on phone order for around $36k, but not $10k more.

Wish they would drop in price like a Nissan to where I'd actually buy a used one.
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Model Y by the pound

Base prices, by the pound:
* Tesla Model Y = $12.27
[ VW Group MLB evo platform]:
*) VW Touareg = $ 8.16
*) Audi Q8 = $ 10.69
*) Porsche Cayenne = $ 10.70
*) Audi Q7 = $ 11.69
*) Bentley Bentayga = $ 23.48
*) Bentley Flying Spur = $ 40.45
*) Bentley Continental GT = $ 41.48
*) Lamborghini Urus = $ 42.80
And then you can compare each moniker's up-market versions.
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Curious where the $40k prediction came from? The latest I had heard was it would be about $10k more expensive at all levels. That's still a bit more than the standard range Model 3, which can be had on phone order for around $36k, but not $10k more.

Wish they would drop in price like a Nissan to where I'd actually buy a used one.
During the March 2019 unveiling, the entry-level version of the car was priced at $39,000. (Before destination charge)

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During the March 2019 unveiling, the entry-level version of the car was priced at $39,000. (Before destination charge)

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-crossover-suv
Does a MSRP price point have anything to do with the actual cost of production, plus a 'reasonable', net profit?
Currently, a certain demographic within Honda customers are willing to pay between Audi and Bentley prices for a CIVIC-R.
Obviously, logic and reason no longer belong to a portion of the calculus of car purchasing. Only emotion. P. T. Barnam and Shylock would marvel at it.
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... willing to pay between Audi and Bentley prices for a CIVIC-R.
Obviously, logic and reason no longer belong to a portion of the calculus of car purchasing. Only emotion. P. T. Barnam and Shylock would marvel at it.
No longer?

A Buick GNX cost almost $30k in 1987, $68.5k in 2020 dollars. The base Regal was around $25k 2020 USD.

You can get a type-R Civic for $43k, the base coupe is $21k

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

Doesn't seem like much has changed in those 33 intervening years. Special high performance packages have always come at a hefty premium when they actually meant something (those two cars I find the most comparable because they share so few parts with the base model counterparts).
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Just bought a model 3,, std 2wd 250 mile range model.. the first thing you have to know is your not walking off the lot with a 38K Tesla.. there is a lot of misdirection in their pricing with fees, license and in my case a fat Oregon EV tax the car was 41K out the door no options. So add a minimum of 3K to any price they quote you in person or on line. It doesn't get disclosed until the final paperwork is generated. In thier advertising they are factoring in some intangibles like fuel savings..
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The standard is offered online again? I thought you had to phone those orders in still.

What is the Oregon EV tax? You're supposed to get $2,500 back for purchasing an EV, not pay a tax.
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The standard is offered online again? I thought you had to phone those orders in still.

What is the Oregon EV tax? You're supposed to get $2,500 back for purchasing an EV, not pay a tax.

He is likely talking about registration fees. As of this year they are based on MPG with more fuel efficient cars having higher registration fees.

$244 0-19 mpg
$264 20-39 mpg
$304 40+ mpg
$612 Electric vehicle*

*If you register an EV in OReGO registration is only $172 for 4 years.
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Yea there is a road tax on a EV in Oregon now as of Jan 15 (That's what the state calls it on my paperwork...) thats the $612 EV charge.
My title-tax+plates were 999 bucks. Its supposed to make up for the lack of revenue that they don't get from the EV's.

Tesla no longer gets the federal rebate, (was 2500) But I still get the Oregon state one for 2500.. (Yes this IS just as stupid as it sounds.. ) I can still get a rebate on charger installation as well, I have 1 level two in my garage but I'm considering getting the Tesla one as well, just because of the telemetry for keeping track of power use and better charge control.

I was able to order the car online because it was "in stock" at the Bellvue dealer.
Otherwise they have some convoluted scheme where you can order a "basic" RWD with 220 miles range , less optioned (mostly software) for 36K but its dealer only, or you can order the standard range+ online.. Its currently discounted a couple grand so it made sense to go upscale for the couple extra options and the 30 more miles range.

Awesome that a 40K car doesn't come with floor mats. LOL

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