Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-28-2012, 02:57 PM   #81 (permalink)
Drive less save more
 
ecomodded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189

Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 60.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
I remember reading that a car would gain 2-3 mpg with wheel skirts so taking the size of the wheel wheels in question i upped the value to 4-5 mpg. I must admit it sounds unreasonable, I am going to change my estimate to 3-4mpg

__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________



  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 09-28-2012, 07:14 PM   #82 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Saskwatchian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 114

Eric's Explorer - '01 Ford Explorer Sport 4x4
90 day: 19.05 mpg (US)

E's V - '07 Nissan Versa SL
90 day: 33.11 mpg (US)
Thanks: 12
Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecomodded View Post
I remember reading that a car would gain 2-3 mpg with wheel skirts so taking the size of the wheel wheels in question i upped the value to 4-5 mpg. I must admit it sounds unreasonable, I am going to change my estimate to 3-4mpg
And this is why MPG is a stupid measurement for fuel saving.

Going from 30 to 33 mpg will save you 3 gallons in 1000 miles.

Going from 15 to 18 mpg will save you 11 gallons in 1000 miles.

3 MPG change does not mean the same thing on one vehicle as another.

If the wheelskirts were to save about the same amount on the suburban as a 30mpg car the difference would be 0.5-0.7 mpg, not an insignificant amount on a large vehicle.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 07:45 PM   #83 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,265

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 273
Thanked 3,569 Times in 2,833 Posts
Thats why I like picking up 1mpg here and there.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #84 (permalink)
The Dirty330 Modder
 
Gealii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North East Ohio, USA
Posts: 642

CruzeRS - '15 Chevy Cruze LT RS
90 day: 41.29 mpg (US)
Thanks: 10
Thanked 67 Times in 59 Posts
I guess that is why there are a lot of heavily modded civics metros etc compared to trucks or carboats. you don't have to do alot to gain mpg numbers in bigger vehicles to save more money than that money on a smaller one
__________________



"The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing."
- Henry Ford
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 08:56 PM   #85 (permalink)
Sport Compact Driver
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lolo Mt
Posts: 623

Celica Gts - '84 Toyota Celica Gts
Sports Cars
90 day: 26.32 mpg (US)

The Bee - '96 Mazda B4000 4x4 Base
Pickups
90 day: 20.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 56
Thanked 62 Times in 55 Posts
In my view it is all about % gained.
In a truck that gets 15mpg 10% is 1.5mpg increase.
In a car that gets 30 mpg 10% is 3mpg increase.
And a car that gets 60mpg10% is 6 mpg.
As of right now without any mods to my truck I am getting 30% over epa, in my celica I was getting that same 30% but I was getting 30mpg vs16 mpg.
I would much rather spend half as much to drive to work.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 09:00 PM   #86 (permalink)
Sport Compact Driver
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lolo Mt
Posts: 623

Celica Gts - '84 Toyota Celica Gts
Sports Cars
90 day: 26.32 mpg (US)

The Bee - '96 Mazda B4000 4x4 Base
Pickups
90 day: 20.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 56
Thanked 62 Times in 55 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecomodded View Post
I remember reading that a car would gain 2-3 mpg with wheel skirts so taking the size of the wheel wheels in question i upped the value to 4-5 mpg. I must admit it sounds unreasonable, I am going to change my estimate to 3-4mpg
That was probably 10% or so def reasonable, to the truck, say 15% improvement(large wheelwells) and 1.5-2.5 mpg could be possible
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 09:37 PM   #87 (permalink)
Drive less save more
 
ecomodded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189

Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 60.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
Maybe wheel covers along with smooth hubcaps grill block and belly pan you could save 5 mpg which in your trucks case would be large, a 41% improvement.
With your thirsty truck almost every mod or driving tactic is low hanging fruit, gain 1.2 mpg and that's a 10% savings.
65+ Vehicle modifications for better fuel economy - EcoModder.com
__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________



  Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 10:05 PM   #88 (permalink)
Drive less save more
 
ecomodded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189

Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 60.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saskwatchian View Post
If the wheelskirts were to save about the same amount on the suburban as a 30mpg car the difference would be 0.5-0.7 mpg, not an insignificant amount on a large vehicle.

Yikes if that's the case it would not change much would it.
I think the big ole truck may show a higher gain then your conversion numbers do, threw size differences and fact that there is greater room for improvement, i think..
Food for thought, I still have to make some wheel skirts for my car, may be a year before i get it done..
__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________



  Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 01:07 AM   #89 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 2,442

2004 CTD - '04 DODGE RAM 2500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 19.36 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,422
Thanked 737 Times in 557 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saskwatchian View Post
And this is why MPG is a stupid measurement for fuel saving.

Going from 30 to 33 mpg will save you 3 gallons in 1000 miles.

Going from 15 to 18 mpg will save you 11 gallons in 1000 miles.

3 MPG change does not mean the same thing on one vehicle as another.

If the wheelskirts were to save about the same amount on the suburban as a 30mpg car the difference would be 0.5-0.7 mpg, not an insignificant amount on a large vehicle.


It's the percentage gain to the average mpg that matters. And that average, preferably, covers more than one year of driving where no major changes in the life of the owner/operator occurred. December was the same as the previous January for what, where and how.

And it isn't the "gallons saved" so much as it is the reduction in the fuel portion of the ownership/operating cpm of the vehicle..

X percentage gain translates to Y cpm

We think that fuel economy is important, but it is relative to all other costs. A reduction to 15-cpm on fuel from 17 is great . . but is the rest of the vehicle an 87-cpm burden?

The modifications which positively affect reliability & longevity (components such as tires & brakes), etc, is where the money is.

Fuel economy is just a nice way to track the thing.

And some manner or methods of "saving fuel" are detrimental to overall vehicle condition, performance and life. They are not, thus, "economical even though a bit of fuel has been saved.



.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 01:11 AM   #90 (permalink)
Sport Compact Driver
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lolo Mt
Posts: 623

Celica Gts - '84 Toyota Celica Gts
Sports Cars
90 day: 26.32 mpg (US)

The Bee - '96 Mazda B4000 4x4 Base
Pickups
90 day: 20.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 56
Thanked 62 Times in 55 Posts
I will do some testing, going to pick up some coroplast and some duct tape.

Was talking to some coworkers today and they were amazed at the mpg I am getting

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com