04-26-2013, 02:40 PM
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Let's face it ecomodders are a very small subset of the hot rod world.
The TurboDiesel Registry used to have a loudmouth who made exorbitant claims of MPG but he admitted he never drove over 40 MPH at any time. I tried to interest him into a road trip and put the performance out for all to see, but he was never interested.
With my gearing 40 MPH means 750 RPM. I wonder what kind of MPG I could get at that RPM?
Aero mods would be less effective at 40 MPH than at 55 or 70.
But I drive the superslab a lot and 40 MPH vehicle truck will have the drug-sniffing dogs on it before long. People here in Indiana might not shoot a truck going 40 MPH on the Interstate, but they might throw a chair at it.
Yeah, Ford trucks have a big problem in the MPG department. They are very solidly and sturdily built, and that translates to HEAVY. 7,800 lb curb weight. Not good for MPG. It's a good thing I live in pool-table flat Indiana.
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04-26-2013, 02:48 PM
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Any good advice for someone wanting to learn this kind of thing hands on?
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Swapping the turbocharger is not as hard as you think. Most swaps should only require basic tools, as long as you don't try to put a holset HE351VE on there.
I would say go with an HE351CW or some type of HX40 with a T3 flange and 3'' exhaust out let (which most HX40 are anyways).
The problem with the HE351CW is that I think it might have a 3.5'' exhaust outlet on the back of the turbocharger.
If you want to use a turbo with a 3.5'' outlet talk to me first because I have the hard to find cummins 3.5'' to 4 inch elbow, a 3.5 down pipe flange, a 3.5'' V-band clamp and a 3.5'' v-band clamp adaptor.
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04-26-2013, 03:44 PM
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temporary gorilla tape grill block done
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04-26-2013, 04:03 PM
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Off to a good start. Be sure to watch your temps closely for a while to be sure you dont overheat. I'm sure you get plenty of air from underneath the engine bay, but you never know.
So, what is next on the list? I am looking forward to seeing your progress, maybe if you get some good numbers I can convince my brother to mod his 2500HD diesel.
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04-26-2013, 04:52 PM
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Off to a good start. Be sure to watch your temps closely for a while to be sure you dont overheat. I'm sure you get plenty of air from underneath the engine bay, but you never know.
So, what is next on the list? I am looking forward to seeing your progress, maybe if you get some good numbers I can convince my brother to mod his 2500HD diesel.
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The next thing on the list of mods is passenger wiper delete ( it would already be done except I can't figure out how to get the darn thing off lol) and a full synthetic oil change. I'm picking up a kill switch for it today as well. After that I plan on tackling the radiator fan. After that I'll probably fashion some rear wheel skirts and a front air dam. I'm also looking to do a ram CAI to keep a balance with getting enough air to the engine and really like diesel_Dave's results there. I have an aluminum ladder rack that is gonna be my Framing for the aero cap and I'll probably do that in conjunction with the underbelly pan. I really want to do allot of engine mods but that is still just a little out of reach for me till I gain some experience. I don't want to risk ruining a perfectly well running truck. Also looking into getting a better thermostat (205degree+Evans coolant+new hoses)
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04-26-2013, 05:12 PM
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Swapping the turbocharger is not as hard as you think. Most swaps should only require basic tools, as long as you don't try to put a holset HE351VE on there.
I would say go with an HE351CW or some type of HX40 with a T3 flange and 3'' exhaust out let (which most HX40 are anyways).
The problem with the HE351CW is that I think it might have a 3.5'' exhaust outlet on the back of the turbocharger.
If you want to use a turbo with a 3.5'' outlet talk to me first because I have the hard to find cummins 3.5'' to 4 inch elbow, a 3.5 down pipe flange, a 3.5'' V-band clamp and a 3.5'' v-band clamp adaptor.
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OK. I'm intrigued here. You say its pretty simple and I don't doubt you. I guess it comes down to how much fe would be gained and how much would it cost to do it. I'm definitely interested though. I do want to go all out with each mod so im not overly interested in medium upgrades over what I already have. But like I said this is new territory for me and I'm learning allot every day. I'm sure I will waste some time and money in the process. My goal is to minimize it as much as possible. :-)
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04-26-2013, 05:22 PM
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I think that is a way cool project. 3.08 gears would be amazing.
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Yeah my gearing is really short (I can shift into 5th at 30mph without lugging the engine) how hard is it to track down the 3.08 gearing setup?
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04-26-2013, 07:59 PM
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I had to remove my cardboard grill block in my slant six. I would get hot at stop lights. You may not have that problem with your diesel. I did notice an improvement in torque when I did the fan delete. I just changed back to cold air intake since I noticed it ran stronger in cooler air. I've also lighten it to under 4000 lbs with me in it. The slant is only 450 lbs though. I've got a 3.55 rear and an automatic with overdrive hooked to an old Chevy vacuum lockup switch. It will lock at idle if I have enough speed to be in 3rd.
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04-26-2013, 09:54 PM
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If you start to overheat with your grill block setup, you may want to look into doing an adjustable grill block. There are a few out there. I have seen some that use springs, servo motors, cables and mine just hinges from wind speed. They all work fine, some are just a bit more involved.
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04-26-2013, 10:58 PM
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If you start to overheat with your grill block setup, you may want to look into doing an adjustable grill block. There are a few out there. I have seen some that use springs, servo motors, cables and mine just hinges from wind speed. They all work fine, some are just a bit more involved.
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I'll just cut some slits in the bottom portion until its staying where it needs to be. I don't plan on messing with adjustable grill blocks as it seems like it would be more effort than it would be worth.
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