NarrowerTires?

[Swiftbow]

I have an '09 Focus that is giving pretty good FE. The tires on it are in good shape with only ~22k miles. It will be awhile before I need to look for new shoes but in thinking of ways to improve economy, I was thinking of switching out to some narrower tires when the time comes.

The stock tires are a 195/60-15. I found a 155/80-15 that looks to be within 2% of the stock diameter so it should work without effecting gearing or the odometer/speedo. The only negatives I can think of is the ride will be harsher and to avoid cornering at high speed with the effective higher profile to width ratio. In the realm of safety, seems like it should be fine?

Any thoughts or advice on what I may be missing?

Doug

[Frank Lee]

I think rolling resistance won't be lowered unless you run them with much higher pressure than stockers. But then, you could just as well pump up the stockers.

[Swiftbow]

Hmmm, that is surprising. I would expect a width difference from 195 to 155 would be notable or significant effect on reducing rolling resistance?

Doug

[Frank Lee]

Depends on the loads the tire sees.

[MetroMPG]

There will be a small but real aerodynamic benefit from going with narrower tires as well.

See this BMW data: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...g-cd-7475.html

Will 155's fit properly on the rims (width)?

In "the realm of safety", as you put it, I expect you'll likely see reduced lateral grip in the dry (not certain about wet - depends on many other factors). Whether you're OK with that is up to you.

[some_other_dave]

Potentially braking traction will be affected as well. Not definitely, as other factors will have an influence.

I went from 195 to 185 width on my CRX. The difference seems to be "in the noise".

-soD

[Daox]

I went from 185s to 155s on the Paseo. The change was noticeable at low speeds.

[Frank Lee]

The change of what?

[Daox]

I could noticably coast farther after 'the change' of tires/rims.

[CapriRacer]

Originally Posted by Swiftbow

I have an '09 Focus that is giving pretty good FE. The tires on it are in good shape with only ~22k miles. It will be awhile before I need to look for new shoes but in thinking of ways to improve economy, I was thinking of switching out to some narrower tires when the time comes.

The stock tires are a 195/60-15. I found a 155/80-15 that looks to be within 2% of the stock diameter so it should work without effecting gearing or the odometer/speedo. The only negatives I can think of is the ride will be harsher and to avoid cornering at high speed with the effective higher profile to width ratio. In the realm of safety, seems like it should be fine?

Any thoughts or advice on what I may be missing?

Doug

Doug,

First, a 155/80R15 83S is 4 load indices lower in load carrying capacity. That means that all other things being equal, you will need to use 4 psi more than what is on the vehicle tire placard for comparison purposes.

According to Tire Guides, a book that summarizes vehicle tire placards, a 2009 Ford Focus with P195/60R15 87T's should have a tire placard that says to use 32 psi. Please check the vehicle placard to see if that is correct.

What this means is that even if you inflate the tires to the maximum, the tire has less load carrying capacity than the original tires. Not only is that going to hurt the fuel economy, but it's a safety issue, too. Less load carrying capacity increases the risk of a load related tire failure, which sometimes has tragic results.

PLUS, going down in speed rating (T to S) is also the wrong way with regard to safety.

While the amount of tread rubber is important, there are 2 other considerations for a tire's contribution to fuel economy: The rubber, and the amount of deflection.

As I pointed out above, the lower load carrying capacity means more deflection and worse fuel economy - all other things being equal.

The type of rubber is very important - and probably the most important thing. Tires designed for good fuel economy (like what came OE on your Focus), are going to use types of rubber compounds that give good fuel economy. That is generally at the expensive of traction (especially wet traction) and tread wear (or both!)

Going narrower also means a smaller footprint, and that has implications for traction.

So while going narrower may seem like a good idea, there's a lot of down sides to this. It has to be done carefully - which why you asked the question, isn't it!