12-03-2013, 06:37 PM
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Actually I still didn't do such mod, but I am considering to do it into a Volkswagen air-cooled engine. But I have already seen a few "Millerized" engines in leisure boats.
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All you have to do is find a cam that says Miller on it and slap it in, right?
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12-04-2013, 02:13 AM
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Just regrinding the cams and increasing the static compression ratio wouldn't make it operate in the Miller cycle, would only make it operate like a Prius engine, emulating the Atkinson effect. The supercharger is also required for the Miller cycle in order to overcome the discompression provided for the longer intake valve timing.
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I've read some about the Miller cycle, but what really makes it more efficient? If you have to use a supercharger to get the same power out of the same engine then it seems that it would be less efficient per cubic inch or cc.
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Since the engine operating in the Miller cycle would still have less of the so-called "pumping losses", because its effect makes the power stroke longer than the compression stroke, the engine is, in fact, more efficient.
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12-04-2013, 11:36 AM
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Oh, I see. So we add supercharging and a different cam and we have a Miller engine. Who hasn't done that?
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12-04-2013, 04:29 PM
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Oh, I see. So we add supercharging and a different cam and we have a Miller engine. Who hasn't done that?
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Only Mazda and Nissan have done it for automobile engines, but in the 40s and 50s it was more common in marine and stationary engines. I must admit I'd rather get a Diesel swap instead of keeping a V8, but it's still an option...
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12-04-2013, 04:54 PM
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I thought it was a simple weekend project?
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12-04-2013, 05:01 PM
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I thought it was a simple weekend project?
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Does it look really so complex?
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12-04-2013, 05:08 PM
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Have you done it? No.
Have I done it? No.
Has anyone here done it? I doubt it.
Would it be a significant R&D effort to make it work? I think so.
Do you glibly suggest the home mechanic take on projects you yourself wouldn't, haven't, or can't do? All the time.
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12-05-2013, 04:49 AM
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Would it be a significant R&D effort to make it work? I think so.
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Not so much R&D needed. Street-racers have been regrinding cams for years...
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12-07-2013, 12:09 PM
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Sounds like a diesel swap would be much easier and you'd come out with much better MPGs, more torque, and an engine that will last longer.
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12-12-2013, 06:42 PM
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Sounds like a diesel swap would be much easier and you'd come out with much better MPGs, more torque, and an engine that will last longer.
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Diesel engines are always the best option for a truck, but it would be quite obvious if I were the one advocating for that
After looking at what a modern 4-cyl turbodiesel is capable in a medium-duty truck I could consider a 4HK1 from the NPR or a J05E from the Hino 195 among the best options, but considering availability and emissions classes seems like the 6BT Cummins is the easier to register legally. I would recommend a Powerstroke only for an enemy.
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