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Originally Posted by Astro
i did have a nice long post all written up trying to look at the pros and cons of each point of view. Which i now can't post as it feels like i would be provoking a continuation of the argument.  |
Why not post it? The point of life is to test ideas and have thought provoking discussion. Blissful ignorance is good for sheep, but not so good for humans.
The only thing I enjoy more than being correct, is to be proven incorrect. What an opportunity to expand my understanding.
Don't perceive the discussion as people fighting other people, but instead a testing of ideas. How fun!
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Originally Posted by Old Mechanic
I like how they want to not include the line charge but conveniently ignored the difference between the meter reading and the actual power delivered to the battery as reported and measured by Consumer Reports when they tested the Leaf, with a dedicated meter.
I'm done here, no more posts on this thread, but if you don't count the beans you can depend on having to pay for them.
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mech
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I agree that the only accurate way to account for the cost of an EV is to measure the energy used from the utility meter to charge the battery. Just looking at how many Ah the battery took would not account for considerable charging losses due to inefficiencies in transformers, cables, and chemistry.
Dem beans gotta be counted.
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Originally Posted by mikeyjd
I love the technology and I'm really glad it works for some people to pioneer it. I'll probably own one someday and be thankful that there were people with the right lifestyle and values to make it work.
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I reason that an EV is suitable to replace at least 1 car in most multi-car families.
For example, my commute is 7 miles and my wife's is 3. Portland entertainment, grocery shopping, and errands can all be handled by a very modest EV. A gasser is convenient for travel to the mountains, or to the coast, and other far away places; but we travel together and only need 1 vehicle capable of long range.
Even in the extremely unlikely event where we both need to travel far, to different locations, at the exact same time, I could easily lend my EV to a neighbor or friend and borrow their vehicle. If I was a horrible person with no friends, family, or neighbors that would care to help, I could still rent a car.
The "range excuse" for not owning an EV in a multi-car family is vanishingly small. There are plenty of other reasons to not own an EV, and range would certainly be a problem in a 1 vehicle family. However, 57% of American households have two or more cars.
Going OT...
I envision a future where there are financial incentives to share personal property with the community. We already have websites that allow a person to rent their unused bedroom or house, or to pickup taxi fares using their personal car. Why not rent/swap your vehicle, lawnmower, or many other items with other people? It's crazy that I have a lawnmower that gets used 0.1% of the time. It's madness that the garbage truck picks up my neighbors trash can, drives 5ft, and then picks up my trash can, and continues on making hundreds of stops. It's ludicrous that I have to pay enormous fees to park my car at an airport, fly to my destination where other people have also paid enormous fees to park their cars, and I still pay to rent a car.
Phone apps make it possible to vet individuals by rating one another. In the future, our social rating will determine if we get to rent one of those rare petrol burning cars for a nostalgic weekend drive.
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Moreover, to use your mower example, you mower is good for say 10,000 hours, it doesn't really matter if you use them all at once or in 1/2hour blocks.
