Poll for Americans: What about Diesel engines?

[guudasitgets]

If you have solid information that proves they aren't recycling feel free to post it, but asking if I "believe them" when they "say" whatever can be applied to just about anything. Bull like that is just trolling.

With regulations of battery scrap processing quite high in this contry a lot of recyclers are shipping these out of the country. Most of the SLA battery production left this contry 10 years ago for much the same reason, they are just not made here anymore. Scrap with heavy metals is one thing but it gets worse when something is deemed OK to dump in a landfill. Thats where Lithium-Ion battery packs start falling throught the cracks. Unlike Nicads they do not contain the toxic metal Cadmium. And as there is Cobalt and other materials that could be taken from them, a large part of the scrap from laptop computers and other small electronics just end up in landfills because they are not considered toxic waste. The potential is there to either ship them out to other countrys for reduction and then to a landfill or a more expensive process to get the Cobalt out as well as the other metals, cost prohibitive in this country if you keep it all here. Hence the attraction to send it elsewhere. But see the article link below he touchs on some of that. I'm not saying nobody recycles them I ment it's hard to do this in this country, I apologize if I was wrong and stand corrected. But I wouldn't take everything Toyota says is gospel either.

Lithium ion batteries: High-tech's latest mountain of waste - Computerworld Blogs

And "bull like that is just trolling". Sorry I don't know what trolling is, I was in the industry for 15 years I'm just telling you what I know.

P.S. Should I "believe you" that your neighbor "said" she couldn't get her car started? Do we know where this neighbor is? I put that up there because I'm trolling/joking in the same way.

Do I know where she is ? Ya safe and sound in the house next door I took her to the store to get food for her kids and drove her back. Good thing is my cars sorta warmed up now.

[guudasitgets]

Car & Driver Magazine did a study a few years back and came up with a study of all the Hybrids, econoboxes and such and concluded that a Diesel Hybrid had the least amount of total impact on the environment. But for me a hybrid doesn't make much sense, I live out in the sticks and days like today where right now it's a balmy -8 degrees F with 20mph wind gusts and a foot and a half of snow blowing and drifting I'll drive the Explorer. The little Ford Aspire would end up in a ditch somewhere, they don't plow too much around here. If that car were replaced by a Pirus, it would be parked as well. I don't feel like freezing to death today anyway. I'd like to see someone come out with a very small 2 or 3 cylinder diesel or gas commuter car. More basic transportation like the Chevy Sprint was. Or back in the day like my old Datsun 1200. No air, no power steering, No automatic transmission, no power windows, just give it enough power to push it 65 mph. That's all you need, or me anyway

[roflwaffle]

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

With regulations of battery scrap processing quite high in this contry a lot of recyclers are shipping these out of the country. Most of the SLA battery production left this contry 10 years ago for much the same reason, they are just not made here anymore. Scrap with heavy metals is one thing but it gets worse when something is deemed OK to dump in a landfill. Thats where Lithium-Ion battery packs start falling throught the cracks. Unlike Nicads they do not contain the toxic metal Cadmium. And as there is Cobalt and other materials that could be taken from them, a large part of the scrap from laptop computers and other small electronics just end up in landfills because they are not considered toxic waste. The potential is there to either ship them out to other countrys for reduction and then to a landfill or a more expensive process to get the Cobalt out as well as the other metals, cost prohibitive in this country if you keep it all here. Hence the attraction to send it elsewhere. But see the article link below he touchs on some of that. I'm not saying nobody recycles them I ment it's hard to do this in this country, I apologize if I was wrong and stand corrected. But I wouldn't take everything Toyota says is gospel either.

Outsourcing SLA recycling still means the batteries get recycled, just out of the country. In the case of the Prius' batteries there is ~$150 worth of Nickel in 'em at market prices so I would be surprised if they were landfilled, but again if ya have any proof, not hearsay or anecdotes that have little to do w/ the specific situation, I'm up for it.

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

Do I know where she is ? Ya safe and sound in the house next door I took her to the store to get food for her kids and drove her back. Good thing is my cars sorta warmed up now.

That's what you "say" but who knows if you're telling the truth or not.

Stuff like that last line is trolling. It can be applied to just about any statement to cast doubt on something and contributes little to nothing.

[guudasitgets]

Outsourcing SLA recycling still means the batteries get recycled, just out of the country. In the case of the Prius' batteries there is ~$150 worth of Nickel in 'em at market prices

SLA battery production, read what I typed,

I would be surprised if they were landfilled, but again if ya have any proof, not hearsay or anecdotes that have little to do w/ the specific situation, I'm up for it.

Find the link I put in the post and read the article, And I'm not gonna sit here all day, gotta race car to set up for testing and it will be on the road soon and I have to set up an electric water pump and controller, so I'll read your posts later , till then happy motoring (still have no clue what trolling is)

[roflwaffle]

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

SLA battery production, read what I typed

I wasn't talking about that part, I was talking about this part.

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

With regulations of battery scrap processing quite high in this country a lot of recyclers are shipping these out of the country.

Did you read what you typed?

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

Find the link I put in the post and read the article, And I'm not gonna sit here all day, gotta race car to set up for testing and it will be on the road soon and I half to set up an electric water pump and controller, so I'll read your posts later , till then happy motoring (still have no clue what trolling is)

I did, and it still doesn't apply to NiMH batteries since NiMH is not the same as Lithium. You could say that some SLAs get dumped and not recycled, but that doesn't mean the same thing happens to NiMH.

[guudasitgets]

I'm Not gonna sit here and split hairs with ya, Just telling you what I know fron being in the battery biz.

[99metro]

We had small 4 cylinder diesels in the early 80's in a lot of vehicles. Americans are in LOVE with their vehicles and want more more more. It's all about horsepower, bigger, faster, performance. It's about racing the guy in front of you even though they aren't going to the same place. Until that mindset is changed, I don't think diesels in something besides a large pickup will take off.

I, personally, would love more than anything to have a diesel engine option available to every car and truck made in the USA. To have a 3 cyl diesel offered in a Chevy Metro, would be the only thing to make me go out and buy a new vehicle. The "Big 3" really need to tone it down a bit and catch up to the rest of the world.

IMHO

[roflwaffle]

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

I'm Not gonna sit here and split hairs with ya, Just telling you what I know fron being in the battery biz.

Your experience has nothing to do w/ what you asked and I answered! If you had asked about just Li batts, or something else, maybe, but there are established recycling programs for NiMH batteries, and given the value of the Nickel in 'em they're probably recycled, regardless of what you think Toyota does.

Anyway, ya don't have to reply right after I post. The whole point of BBs is that people can post whenever they want. Feel free to split hairs later.

[DieselHybrid]

guudasitgetz-

I never said racing technology does not trickle down to conventional automobiles. Please take the time to read peoples' posts carefully before unleashing derogatory remarks.

I said LeMans and F1 racing (specifically) have little to no bearing on US auto sales. NASCAR, on the other hand, has a large following in the USA.

Since you don't seem to bother with checking your facts (or referencing sources) before you post criticism:
The Toyota Sienna is a family minivan currently manufactured in the United States by the Japanese automaker Toyota for the North American market only, and shares its platform with the Toyota Camry. It is rumored to be exported to emerging markets such as China by the year 2010.
Additionally, the North American Toyota Corolla is manufactured at the NUUMI plant in Fremont, CA- USA. -source: Wikipedia

Our two Toyotas have higher American parts and labor content than the Ford Mustang, Focus, and numerous GM & Chrysler products. To bring you up to date with the 21st century, we're now living in a global economy. No country can afford to be isolationist. A good book on the subject is: "The World is Flat," by T. Friedman.

As an aside...
I noticed a large portion (nearly 2 pages) of these posts are off-subject attempts by many well-meaning folks to refute your baseless, often inflamatory remarks.

In blogging terms, what you have accomplished is called "thread hijacking" and is commonly a result of "trolling."

Ecomodder Moderators, is it possible to limit this sort of diversionary mud-slinging activity- so that we can have meaningful discussions on the subjects of the original threads?

Thanks in advance!
Peace.

[tasdrouille]

Originally Posted by guudasitgets

Really? well right now at 9:40 am in Nashotah Wisconsin its 12 below zero F(-12F=-23C) In Quebec City it's 3 degrees above zero F.

What point are you trying to make? Average winter temperatures here are 10 F colder than where you live.

My nieghbors brand new diesel jetta WILL NOT START! What a surprize.

She needs to bring her car to the dealer, there's something wrong with it.

With the mandantory plugging in in the winter

That's just false. How many diesels have you owned? I've had 4 VW diesels, a 1.6 NA, a 1.9 TD, and 2 1.9 TDI. Never had problems with winter starting unplugged. My cars were always in a proper state of tune with a good battery and starter.

additives in the fuel larger batteries

Since when is that a problem?

increased cost of the vehicles

Which you get back in resale value.

higher fuel prices.

You a right for now, that's not always been he case and there's nothing telling it'll always be that way. Have a look at historical national averages for RUG and ULSD.

or are you saying it is just as easy to start a diesel engine compared to a gas engine with niether of them plugged in and both of them with the same exact blends of fuel they use in the summer at 30 below zero F?

Why on earth would you run summer diesel in the dead cold of the winter? That's just plain stupid, no one does that. Apart from that, yes it's just as easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBVtrr_vpfA