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Old 07-12-2016, 04:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Ford escort cvh motors bolt right up to mustang v6 transmissions. 91-96 have lean cruise and other lean burn stuff in factory ECU's.

Cheap cheap parts, and a 1.9l ford has a very "classic" sound.
I'm very biased. But these engines simply cannot get bad mileage from lugging. The EPA was actually upset about the emissions under load, and the lean burn at cruise.

Neither are my videos.
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Cvh rock crusher sound (totally healthy in a cvh)

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Old 07-13-2016, 04:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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MSD is for more than a race car

I've been thinking it would be easyer to pick up any truck of this body style and stuff my Dodge parts in it than to adjust the stack of bricks body I have now.
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Look into a MSD ignition system as a mpg mod(I ran a 6 Digital it has a friend mode flip a switch and 3000 rpm secondary rev limiter primary was set to 5000rpm in case of u-joint failure) . More complete combustion= better mpg . I was able to drop to 87 octane from 91 octane on my 79 chevyK20 =20-30c per gal cheaper (not mpg but more $ in my wallet just the same)bump my timing up to 14° epa called for 4° with the stock HEI set to 10° 91 was required to stop pinging as I had 10:1 CR. At 14°pulling a 33' 5th wheel at 21,000lbs gross on 7-12% grades without pinging.
Disclamer I also in stalled a RPM Air gap intake ,TH400 w/low stall tork converte built to a 450hp speck (800rpm stall, idle set to 500rpm except the alt, it was happy down to ~425 rpm ) and NP 205 (in place of a NP203) these mods resulting in an increase from 7.4-7.6mpg to 10-14....in short
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Congratulations. That looks like a nice example. Is the paint as good inside the cab? Too nice for a real eco-mobile:


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/2014-detroit-autorama-al-grooms-amazing-and-original-bassackwards-midengine-1950-ford-f-1-pickup/

I like old flatheads; they're so pretty with aluminum heads and red paint details. I vote keep the motor and swap in a better transmission. I think that's the Ford top-loader with a Jeep shifter plate. I don't know how you get to 5 or 6 speeds; does it have the torque tube driveline?

When I did these to promote specific aerodynamic features, the only pickup I had as an .obj file was the F-1:




The top one is an aerocap. It could be done with top bows and canvas. The top bows could run fore-and-aft. The canvas could be basalt fabric — it's fireproof and knife-proof.

The second one has a half-tonneau, which is almost as effective as a full aerocap. In addition there are Coanda nozzle standpipes (slots at 105° and top caps) and a fold out single-wheel trailer. I sort of threw the kitchen sink at that one.
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Old 07-15-2016, 08:37 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Look into a MSD ignition system as a mpg mod(I ran a 6 Digital it has a friend mode flip a switch and 3000 rpm secondary rev limiter primary was set to 5000rpm in case of u-joint failure).
Will do, there's no way I'm gaping points every 3K miles in this day and age

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Congratulations. That looks like a nice example. Is the paint as good inside the cab? Too nice for a real eco-mobile:



I like old flatheads; they're so pretty with aluminum heads and red paint details. I vote keep the motor and swap in a better transmission. I think that's the Ford top-loader with a Jeep shifter plate. I don't know how you get to 5 or 6 speeds; does it have the torque tube driveline?

The top one is an aerocap. It could be done with top bows and canvas. The top bows could run fore-and-aft. The canvas could be basalt fabric — it's fireproof and knife-proof.

The second one has a half-tonneau, which is almost as effective as a full aerocap. In addition there are Coanda nozzle standpipes (slots at 105° and top caps) and a fold out single-wheel trailer. I sort of threw the kitchen sink at that one.
Ah, beware the internet car photo!

The paint job was done 20 years ago, it looks good at 20 paces, but it's not that great up close, and the horizontal surfaces are a bit faded, has a fair few dents. It has a few poorly executed weld repairs, and an oddly bent driver's door. It looks like it's been pulled top and bottom with the door latched shut. I did check carefully and it doesn't look like it's been rolled or anything serious, so hopefully it just needs a new door. The vent cowl has been sealed shut, hopefully just with bondo so I can get that working again (the opening mechanism isn't present). One cab corner's been bogged up, but the other appears sound. Floors are good, interior was redone but the blocking back around details was poor, so sanding marks etc. Seats look good but I think the springs have gone.

That cut down rod is cool but remember the drag penalty of an open car I was tossing up between a track capable pick up or a full on Ariel Atom style kit car. I decided that an open topped car would be too limited in it's usability. Looks like he's sort of combined the two.

I'll know more about the engine choice once I do a compression test. If all's well I'll definitely keep the flattie in one form or another. Alloy heads, bump up the CR, bigger carb and exhaust. There's even an Aussie company that sells EFI kits for them. There's someone locally that's invested $50K US in his street engine. The only thing that bothers me is the weight of the thing.

But I wanted a V8 so you know...

Yes, it's a four speed top loader style, but I know T-5 swaps are possible. Not sure about the drive shaft, I only visit the car once a week at the moment.

Wasn't expecting anyone had already CADed one up
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This would be a fun project. I think modding on old body-on-frame trucks has GOT to be more fun (read: less hassle) than trying to mod newer spaceframe designs.
True but there's so much to do even adding things like seat belts, so it's a bit hard to know where to start. But at least it's a blank canvas, I can add things that I want without being forced to have them like you have with new cars.

So far the wish list is for about 140hp from the flathead on LPG, a Jaguar IFS and re-geared rear end. Then I can look at fitting A/C and getting the cab quiet enough that I can take bluetooth phone calls.

I did specifically want a V8 and thought about getting something already LS powered but this won out in the end. At the very least it's not a depreciating asset. I do like the idea of an Eco rod, and I really would love EFI even if just so I can have a SG or 'Guino.

There's been a lot of talk about adapting an MPGuino to a fuel flow meter signal, but no one's actually done it. I wonder if gas (LPG) flow meters would be cheaper? LPG also has the advantage that without a mechanical pump (which is also 1hp saved), I think you could add a DFCO mode quite easily. Ignition off, solenoid shuts off gas flow, simple.
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I was tossing up between a track capable pick up or a full on Ariel Atom style kit car.
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But at least it's a blank canvas, I can add things that I want without being forced to have them like you have with new cars.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+f-1+bobber

If I had a truck, I'd want to pitch the bed for a [rotating] tow hook, gas/water/heating oil tank, or a 5th wheel hitch.
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Adjust the taper closer to the "template " I like Freebeard's idea ...
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An excellent example.

I thought on Roadkill they pretty much ruined [the F-6] Stubby Bob. But in this episode they redeem themselves. This thing could literally tow my house.

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Some years back I read on the i'net about a guy that played with flatheads a lot. He commented that in years past some were prone to overheating. He said that he found that those that ran hot hadn't had all the core sand cleaned out of the coolant passages. Just in case.
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Residual sand has become suspect over the years. OTOH Motor City Flathead suggests unpressurised cooling systems and high compression heads with poor sealing as additional causes.

Motor City Speed Equipment, Dundee Michigan, Overheating

They also offer a new, re-engineered flathead block in 289 to 339cu in.

Motor City Speed Equipment, Dundee Michigan, Newly Engineered Flathead Block

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