02-23-2015, 03:02 AM
|
#221 (permalink)
|
Not Doug
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 12,240
Thanks: 7,254
Thanked 2,234 Times in 1,724 Posts
|
I love how one side is brown while the other is black!
|
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
02-23-2015, 09:34 AM
|
#222 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daox
Woo, lookin good!
How do you go about attaching the plastic to the cardboard?
|
Nothing fancy: commercial grade garbage bag plastic duct taped over the cardboard. Heat gun shrinks the plastic to take out wrinkles. (I haven't heat-gunned the Kammback yet. Thus its wrinkles.)
The top section of the tail is black coroplast though.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-23-2015, 12:39 PM
|
#223 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
"natural" Kammback
With the colour/materials masked by fresh snow, it sure looks like it's supposed to be there, doesn't it?
Like a plus-sized 2nd generation Insight.
|
|
|
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-23-2015, 07:05 PM
|
#224 (permalink)
|
Beating EPA Unmodded
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 143
Thanks: 4
Thanked 29 Times in 23 Posts
|
I don't know about you, but I like this Kammback better than the Insight's. I don't know why, it just looks a lot better.
__________________
|
|
|
02-26-2015, 10:43 PM
|
#225 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
Tuft testing the boat tail video: this weekend.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
03-01-2015, 06:51 PM
|
#226 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
Still pic: video coming
So, I was probably right that the side curvature is too aggressive, but some of the flow problems on the lower side originate BEFORE the tail...
With apologies to the colour blind...
- GREEN TUFTS = smooth flow or mildly turbulent
- YELLOW TUFTS = moderate turbulence, but no recirculation (tufts pointing "backward")/separation
- ORANGE TUFTS = high turbulence and some recirculation (tufts pointing "backward")/separation
- RED TUFTS = permanent recirculation/separation
I'm debating doing some reconstructive surgery to reduce the curvature of the lower side panel (ie. increase the width of the "transom" / rear tail light panel).
But the problem with the flow on the lower side portion is it's not getting clean air off the side of the bumper behind the rear wheel. The air there is already highly turbulent with some recirculation/separation. So relaxing the tail curvature downstream of that isn't really going to help much on its own.
|
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
03-01-2015, 09:59 PM
|
#227 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
going to try a fender skirt
I think tomorrow morning I'm going to make a quick 'n' dirty cardboard fender skirt and repeat the tuft test. Maybe it'll clean up the flow enough to let the side of the tail do its job.
I knew there was a reason I left the "camera boom" in the tail this afternoon...
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
03-02-2015, 02:40 AM
|
#228 (permalink)
|
Not Doug
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 12,240
Thanks: 7,254
Thanked 2,234 Times in 1,724 Posts
|
Would you say the black is more or less what you have now? What if you added a few layers of cardboard, sliding each one forward to match the curve the best you can (red), although you would still want to fill the gaps (pink).
Will you please tell us about the taillights, etc?
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Xist For This Useful Post:
|
|
03-02-2015, 06:07 PM
|
#229 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
fender skirt: taming the tufts
Yup Xist, that's pretty much what I have, except the tail surfaces are curved instead of straight.
---
I mocked up a CAD* fender skirt and did another quick tuft test.
It seemed to do the trick!
Aside from the area of deepest curvature in the transition from skirt-to-tail (green circle), there's now little or no recirculation in the tufts compared to before. Plenty of turbulence, oh yes, but the airflow is now going the right direction:
(* Cardboard Aided Design)
|
|
|
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
03-02-2015, 06:20 PM
|
#230 (permalink)
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist
Will you please tell us about the taillights, etc?
|
Sure! They're tail lights off a Swift GT parts car:
I modified 'em...
And they connect to the car's trailer lights harness. At some point I want to get a pic of the rear of the car all lit up.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
|
|
|