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Old 12-04-2022, 02:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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rear wheel arch

it has been proven that big gap within front wheel arch can produce alot of drag.

what about the rear arch , is it worth modyfying that ;

I am planning on securing properly foam on the underside of the front arch.
70mm thickness all the way around;

The rear arch there is huge voids in there. 200mm gap within the arch at the top of the rear wheels.

Is alot of drag created on the rears?

I have lowered the car but I don;t want it looking boy racer-ish therefore prefer to fill the underside of the arches.

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Old 12-04-2022, 03:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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it has been proven....
[citation needed]

Front wheelwells are exposed to a positive pressure gradient, and require more volume to accomodate steering angles.

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I have lowered the car but I don;t want it looking boy racer-ish therefore prefer to fill the underside of the arches.
What kind of car? What do these 'boy-racers' think about fender skirts?
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[citation needed]

Front wheelwells are exposed to a positive pressure gradient, and require more volume to accomodate steering angles.



What kind of car? What do these 'boy-racers' think about fender skirts?

an interrogation. how do I block you from my screen.
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rear wheel arch research in England, 2012

If this link works, it will bring you to the WS-12 aerodynamic research conducted in England in 2012.
A number of the wind tunnel studies included complete 'skirting' of the rear wheels, and some blanking of the wheelhouse opening underneath the vehicles.
It's most prudent to consider vehicles on a case-specific-basis, as they're all a bit different from one another.
If any of the test vehicles are geometrically similar to yours, it may suggest a 'trend' that you might also experience.
https://studylib.net/doc/12731012/ws...gs-21-february
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That's an awesome find. It includes the offset base plate as well as boxed cavity.
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If this link works, it will bring you to the WS-12 aerodynamic research conducted in England in 2012.
A number of the wind tunnel studies included complete 'skirting' of the rear wheels, and some blanking of the wheelhouse opening underneath the vehicles.
It's most prudent to consider vehicles on a case-specific-basis, as they're all a bit different from one another.
If any of the test vehicles are geometrically similar to yours, it may suggest a 'trend' that you might also experience.
https://studylib.net/doc/12731012/ws...gs-21-february
Can you explain how their box cavity reduces drag?
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'box-cavity'

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Can you explain how their box cavity reduces drag?
I'm presuming that you're discussing Coventry University's Audi A2 modifications?
If so, then, looking from behind, the rear-extending panels, which follow the perimeter of the cavity, combined with blocking plates, which separate each cell of the cavity, around the periphery, loosely define where an actual boat-tail would terminate, at that distance behind the Audi. 'IF' the newly-created 'contour' is 'streamlined.'
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When the flow separates at the original location, it reattaches by the new trailing edge, capturing a 'locked'-vortex' which continually circulates within the confines of each cell, fed by momentum interchange from the local streamline into the turbulent boundary layer. This constitutes a cannibalistic loss.
The outer 'inviscid' flow 'skips' over the vortex as if it were a phantom surface.
Since the new trailing edge is at a smaller cross-section, the inward rushing flow experiences an acceptable level of deceleration as the streamlines diverge, causing the pressure recovery, which is responsible for all meaningful drag reduction.
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According to Mair's research, where an actual boat-tail would provide a negative Cd 0.099 drag reduction, a box-cavity of the same 'elongation' will provide a negative Cd 0.053 reduction ( 46.4% less efficient ).
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If the box-cavity were to be 'skinned' at a later date, creating an actual 'boat-tail', then the performance would improve by 46.4%.

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