Renewable Energy Is The Future

[Xist]

Is a mega McMansion a normal mansion?

[redpoint5]

Is that you again Litesong?

Yes, everyone in Eugene are Satanists and believe in evil things like human flourishing. We oppose the anti-human saints.

[Accordowner]

Originally Posted by Xist

Is a mega McMansion a normal mansion?

Its where music is made with kids in bedroom!
The kind of music you guys like!

[redneck]

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[Accordowner]

Originally Posted by redneck

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Exactly, this blondie made lots of music in bedroom with her parents as a child! does it ring a bell!? LOL

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Salmon be dammed . The only environment that matters is the human environment.

The tribes and courts have a different opinion. The federal government is obligated by law to ensure salmon runs into perpetuity.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

The tribes and courts have a different opinion. The federal government is obligated by law to ensure salmon runs into perpetuity.

... and the reason is because we view salmon as being important to our environment.

Humanity uniquely defines values, and therefore what constitutes a "good" environment is entirely up to us.

The Columbia river averages 16.6 Terra Watts of renewable electricity; enough to power 9.5 million homes. Those dams provide flood control and a river navigable by barges for shipping goods.

Collectively we've decided that provides a good environment despite fewer salmon than historically available.

There are a few (usually hypocrites) that believe any alteration of nature beyond what can be accomplished with bare hands is defiling a pure and perfectly benevolent Gaia. I'm willing to be convinced of that religion, but first go out into the wilderness and live only on what nature and your own sweat can render, and after a year come back and extol the virtues of primitive living. Bring back some of that hand-caught salmon because food is always an effective persuasive tactic.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

... and the reason is because we view salmon as being important to our environment.

No. The reason is because the tribes signed treaties in the 1800's with the US Federal government that exchanged millions of acres of valuable land for official recognition AND the harvest of enough salmon to sustain their people into perpetuity.

Those treaties have been upheld multiple times in federal court up the the US Supreme Court. As recently as the 1990's federal courts have ruled that the US government must repopulate salmon in the Columbia basin and bring them up to a level that meets treaty obligations.

[redpoint5]

Right, so some in the tribes viewed salmon as important to their environment and negotiated for it.

I'm not saying a nation inside a nation makes sense, only that there are people who decided that a certain salmon population is what constitutes a good environment for them. That could will change in the future up or down.

Our individual and collective conceptions of our ideal environments are constantly changing.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by AccorDowner

The largest dam in the US and for many decades in the world, The Grand Coulee Dam was specifically built for refining plutonium.

And today? Internet server farms:

Originally Posted by DDG

The Dalles, Oregon - Data Centers - Google
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Google is proud to call Oregon home to Google's first owned and operated data center. We opened our data center at The Dalles in 2006 — over time investing $1.8 billion in The Dalles and ...
Oregon is a great deal for server farms. Is the deal too ...

https://www.oregonlive.com › business › 2011 › 11 › do_centers_get_more_than_they.html
Part 3: Oregon is a great deal for server farms. Graphic: Inside an Oregon server farm. The road to your Facebook profile travels through tiny Prineville, population 9,300. Go inside the company's ...

redpoint5, do you happen to be from Eugene, OR? Because i ran into many antagonistic, nonsensical drone Satanists like you up there when I was traveling!

Consider: The metropolitan area is divided into West Eugene-Springfield vs the University area. Plus some unique neighborhoods like The Whiteaker. Get out moar.

And if you think that Mega Hydro dam is modern and advanced compared to some of the energy technologies developed but buried by the power structure then you have to go back to school!

Woody Guthrie's Great Grand Coulee versus Three Gorges? Pfft. White porzolana concrete vs gray 'tofu'.

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It was probably in a thread that some jerk got locked, but it's been discussed [citation needed]: There is a seamount outside the Gate of Gibraltar that creates a [thermoline/salinocline?} that could be exploited like an electric battery.
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