Rolling coal violations

[Isaac Zachary]

One police officer told me that when he got his job, he was very interested in fixing the issue of drunk bicyclists. But when his fellow police officers helped him see that if they started fining people for riding their bikes drunk, they might start driving cars instead.

[oil pan 4]

I support drunk bicyclists and natural selection.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by MeteorGray

Let's try not hurling personal attacks, ok? Using logical arguments should not incite such responses.

I never attack the person; only the non-sequitur. Either the position lacks proportionality, or it attempts to elicit a response for the pleasure of wasting someone's time. When someone responds with logic, I like the response regardless of my agreement because they have demonstrated consistent thinking (see Aerohead comments).

Bicycles generally are allowed by law to operate on public roads and travel and otherwise interact with motor vehicles. As a consequence of this privilege, they are expected to follow all traffic laws. This includes laws against being out there with a load of booze under the belt because drunk bicyclists have the potential of causing death and destruction as I have already illustrated. If you disagree, that's ok. I respect that.

To further answer your points, about jaywalking, failing to signal and running stop signs, I could do so but it would take more room than it's worth, and I doubt very much you'd agree with me anyway. I'll just say that I'm sure that some tickets are given for all those offences.

As to why you never see bicyclists being ticketed for traffic infractions, I suppose it's because you aren't reading court records. I'm certain they are, but I will admit that in the current state of "defund the police" demands in the US while our cities burn, I'm sure such tickets are not being emphasized very much nowadays.

Again, I'm not intentionally being obtuse. I'm just trying to get and exchange information and express my point of view on topic that interest me. That's what I think these forums are for. If that is defined as trolling, then I don't understand the term.

All of that is a reasoned response.

[MeteorGray]

Peace.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I support drunk bicyclists and natural selection.

I'm sure you know the burden of proving not guilty would be a PITA for a driver who has the bad luck of being in the path of the natural selection at the exact moment a drunk (or stoned) bicyclist meets its end

[MeteorGray]

That's one of my reasons for heavily penalizing drunk bicyclists: even if you're in the right when you kill or maim a drunk on a bike who falls into your path of travel, there will be hell to pay.

First, you need to definitively prove it was not your fault, which may very well take an expensive lawyer to do. This is especially true if the guy's drunk buddy testifies he saw the whole thing and it's your fault, or whatever might be the case.

And if you convince the DA that it wasn't your fault, the survivor or the surviving family still will likely take you to civil court for the damages that you personally inflicted upon the poor victim with your big car. If you win or lose the case and even if your insurance pays, we all pay through higher premiums. If your insurance doesn't pay, or pay enough, you will pay, to the detriment of you and your family.

I say, keep the drunk bicyclists off the road, even if they don't like to be cited for DWI.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I'm sure you know the burden of proving not guilty would be a PITA for a driver who has the bad luck of being in the path of the natural selection at the exact moment a drunk (or stoned) bicyclist meets its end

Not to mention the psychological toll of having killed someone - even if it wasn't your fault.

[Piotrsko]

@Ihenry what series of things are you deciding to do now that this thread has wandered way off the rails?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

Not to mention the psychological toll of having killed someone - even if it wasn't your fault.

Not sure about this aspect, if I were clearly not at fault.