Shell says ethanol knocks down CO2 big time

[BHarvey]

just what is CO2?

[Arragonis]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Indeed. Why not drive less? Why not live closer to work and play? Why not drive more efficiently? Why not drive efficient vehicles? Ride share? Have fewer kids?

Cuz I guess it's unreasonable to expect these things of people.

You'll need to ask David Suzuki - maybe ?

Originally Posted by BHarvey

just what is CO2?

Oooh... Naw.

[eldiee]

Having been a farmer now for over 50 years, it is hard to read the response by many who really have no idea what they are saying, as they just spout what they have read from some expert. To blame high food prices on ethanol ignores all reality. When corn goes up $1.00 a bushel I see cereal companies raise prices a $1.00 a box. Their cost from the corn increase is less than 2 cents. The idea of corn disappearing that goes to ethanol production is a myth. The by-product is brought back and is a higher quality feed for livestock than when it left the farm.I could go on and on, but the point is so many people act as experts that are misinformed about ethanol production as they use facts that are from the early years of making ethanol and apply it to today's modern plants.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Clev

Betting against human nature is never a winning bet.

Saw an ad for a show (I think it was on Discovery Channel) about a family with 19 kids and another one on the way. The woman has been pregnant for 13.6 years of her life.

There was another show about a Mormon family that said that "plural marriage" is decreed by God. The hubby has 4 wives and 8 kids (I think). He was trying to coach his friend on how to date single women while he was married.

Oh well, if humanity doesn't take care of it, Mother Nature will (eventually).

[gone-ot]

...more people need to be shown the movie "Deliverance" more often.

[basjoos]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Saw an ad for a show (I think it was on Discovery Channel) about a family with 19 kids and another one on the way. The woman has been pregnant for 13.6 years of her life.

There was another show about a Mormon family that said that "plural marriage" is decreed by God. The hubby has 4 wives and 8 kids (I think). He was trying to coach his friend on how to date single women while he was married.

Oh well, if humanity doesn't take care of it, Mother Nature will (eventually).

The problem with polygamous societies is what do you do with the extra men. In traditional polygamous societies its either been cannon fodder, slavery, or the monastery.

[PaleMelanesian]

Right. For population growth statistics, you have to look at birthrate per female. Population isn't affected by who fathered them. Replacement birthrate in modern society is about 2.1 or 2.2, to account for those who die early or have no children.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Indeed. Why not drive less? Why not live closer to work and play? Why not drive more efficiently? Why not drive efficient vehicles? Ride share? Have fewer kids?

Why not do all of those things, AND use biofuels too? And EVs, more efficient engines... None of them are mutually exclusive; each one has benefits.

[Clev]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

Why not do all of those things, AND use biofuels too? And EVs, more efficient engines... None of them are mutually exclusive; each one has benefits.

Exactly. For every biofuel or alternative energy technology, the decriers complain, "that would only replace x% of fossil fuels, so why waste the time and money?" The answer is that you don't use just one. Solar and wind BOTH can replace coal and natural gas for stationary sources, and biofuels and EVs can BOTH TOGETHER replace fossil fuels. Eventually, as catalysts for cracking water improve, you start supplementing biofuels with fuel cells (or use fuel cells to "flatten out" the base load for solar and wind.)

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Clev

Eventually, as catalysts for cracking water improve, you start supplementing biofuels with fuel cells (or use fuel cells to "flatten out" the base load for solar and wind.)

A catalyst will do nothing for a process that even if perfect, will never make sense from an efficiency standpoint. Come on, can't we all agree there is no future in hydrogen, at least any we want to live in?