Solar power

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I'm in new Mexico and in a 1,200 year mega drought but I can grow apple trees, which shouldn't grow here.
Ones that lasted 4 years and weren't killed by hail, frost or weren't eaten by deer, or had roots eaten by moles have rooted in and need little to no irrigation and are growing like crazy.
My neighbor is graphing orange tree branches on an apple tree and it appears to be working. Funny how you actually can get oranges from an apple tree, in new Mexico during a mega drought.

Seems like I always saw apple growing on the east side of Cloudcroft, heading to Artesia.
Snowlines are rising faster than trees can migrate. The farther you climb ,at some point, there's no longer any 'soil' or soil microbes.
Without snowpack, it's game over.
According to the archaeologists and Earth's history, all civilizations that relied on irrigation ultimately failed.
It won't be overnight, but there's no optimistic appraisal.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

According to the archaeologists and Earth's history, all civilizations that relied on irrigation ultimately failed.
It won't be overnight, but there's no optimistic appraisal.

Or put another way, all civilizations have failed.

They either evolve, or disappear. Nothing unique about irrigation with regard to the need to adapt or die.

[freebeard]

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[freebeard]

The new Timberline Solar™ roofing system is so advanced it makes solar simple.

They don't induce lift like a standoff panel, and you can walk on them. Modest efficiency hit, 'competitive' with a new roof and panels.

[Piotrsko]

3/4 expensive as panels on a new roof, much more than 2 times a 50 year roof but crap I have a newer tin roof.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

3/4 expensive as panels on a new roof, much more than 2 times a 50 year roof but crap I have a newer tin roof.

It could be a lot more than "3/4". I tried to find prices for the actual shingles and couldn't. If it's 3/4 of the fully installed price in California where labor is crazy, that might not be as compelling value.

I kind of wonder if they just buy flexible panels from elsewhere and fuse them to the plastic lol. Profit margins must be huge.

[oil pan 4]

Racked panels on top of a metal roof is the way to go.

[freebeard]

Racked panels need 1/4" lag bolts to resist uplift. Good luck if you miss the rafter. The sweet spot is down between the standing seams.

https://roofingmagazine.com › flexible-solar-panel-for-standing-seam-metal-roofs
Flexible Solar Panel for Standing Seam Metal Roofs - Roofing
21 Jun 2021Sunflare offers PowerFit 20, a solar panel that is designed to be practically invisible on standing seam metal roofs. It is a light, thin, flexible solar panel that is custom fit to sit between the seams of the roof. Each PowerFit panel is 60 watts and can be seamlessly connected to cover whatever length the roof demands.

https://www.finehomebuilding.com › 2022 › 06 › 13 › nearly-invisible-solar-panels-for-standing-seam-metal-roofs
Nearly Invisible Solar Panels for Standing-Seam Metal Roofs
13 Jun 2022The PowerFit 20 from Sunflare provides green energy, an easy installation option for metal roofs, and an improved aesthetic. By Asa Christiana A superthin new solar panel from Sunflare sits between the seams of standing-seam metal roofs, offering a much more aesthetically pleasing solution to photovoltaic (PV) power.

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They can put their panels on teardrop trailers.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I recently have seen a motorhome fitted with a solar panel which could have its angle adjusted for better exposure to sunlight while parked.

[oil pan 4]

I don't believe my panels are lag bolted to rafters and they have survived 100mph winds.