Some off-topic bickering split from the 'Peak Econobox' thread - Page 4 - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum

Bicycle Bob · 09-30-2019, 01:17 PM

I'm appalled at the thought of having my health insurance dependent on continued employment. That's just another tentacle of enslavement, along with debt. It isn't even conducive to mental health.

redpoint5 · 09-30-2019, 03:05 PM

Yep, that's something we're in agreement on. Health insurance has no natural association with employment except perhaps very indirectly that a business is served better by healthy employees.

Insurance covers individuals, yet the policies are written for a group. That doesn't make sense. Someone financially responsible might choose a high deductible plan and pay for the usual and expected checkups and trivial health issues out of pocket, while someone less financially responsible might pick a higher cost plan with a lower deductible/copay. Most employers have a few options to pick from, but that's unnecessary if insurance covers individuals instead of groups. It should be more like auto insurance; you pick the coverage you're comfortable with and pay the associated premium.

We're probably headed toward single payor universal health, and I'm not necessarily opposed to it. It still leaves room in the market to purchase more/different/better care. The downside of universal health is the abandonment of personal responsibility, and liberty. If the taxpayors are footing the bill, then they have a say in your lifestyle choices, and they certainly have a say in how much to spend on everything, including end of life decisions.

I can imagine it being illegal to smoke, be overweight, or refuse vaccination. It's like living in someone else's house, you have to live by their rules.

litesong · 09-30-2019, 03:29 PM

Naming & summarizing important topics of health & environment topics as "off-topic bickering", shows this website's leadership is filled with blatant bias, showing its obvious suppression of the environment & social suppressions of the poor. Of course, the same is pouring through authoritarian slanted gov'ts, governmental parties, & other WEBSITES, even those, which name themselves as "enlightened".

redpoint5 · 09-30-2019, 03:38 PM

I suggest you re-read the (your) post where the split occurred, and then point out to us where the important topics of health and environment were furthered by that post. You even said you're happiest when people don't learn, which suggests the post wasn't intended to serve any purpose other than to rant and generally be disagreeable.

freebeard · 09-30-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by litesong

Naming & summarizing important topics of health & environment topics as "off-topic bickering", shows this website's leadership is filled with blatant bias, showing its obvious suppression of the environment & social suppressions of the poor.

This suggests that maybe Ecomodder is not the right forum for you?

I'm a poor environmentalist and Ecomodder does not 'suppress' me.

Shaneajanderson · 09-30-2019, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by litesong

Naming & summarizing important topics of health & environment topics as "off-topic bickering", shows this website's leadership is filled with blatant bias, showing its obvious suppression of the environment & social suppressions of the poor. Of course, the same is pouring through authoritarian slanted gov'ts, governmental parties, & other WEBSITES, even those, which name themselves as "enlightened".

Broadly painting anyone who disagrees with you as a republican or trump supporter (with your various odd ways of stating such) shows your blatant bias and desire to suppress free thought and individuality.

See what I did there?