Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-24-2008, 04:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
A madman
 
brucey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WV
Posts: 1,018

Pequod - '17 Subaru Outback
90 day: 22.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 73
Thanked 183 Times in 98 Posts
Send a message via AIM to brucey
Starting to aero the Subie.

I've got a ton of cloroplast now, thanks to election being over. I've put wheel skirts on, and will now be moving to tackling the front end.



As far as an underbody, I'm going with 3/16 alu. on the vital bits. The oil pan area, the transmission pan, and maybe the gas tank if I have enough left over. The rest is going to be cloroplast underneath. But for now, my front end is definately a wreck. (More specifically, someone wrecked into me and my insurance wanted too much to fix it, so I amputated part of the bumper.)



Basically, whats the best shape for me to go with here? I'd like to keep some approach angle since I live in WV and every 3rd person I know lives on a rutted dirt road. But if it can't be helped then I guess I'll find new friends.

The stock bumper simply goes straight down and is rounded with the bumper.



I was thinking something like this,



although it might be too steep of an angle. This is where you guys come in.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 05-24-2008, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
Dartmouth 2010
 
SVOboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 6,447

Vegan Powa! - '91 Honda CRX DX
Team Honda
90 day: 66.52 mpg (US)
Thanks: 92
Thanked 122 Times in 90 Posts
Send a message via AIM to SVOboy Send a message via MSN to SVOboy Send a message via Yahoo to SVOboy
Looks like good progress so far, keep us posted,
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2008, 10:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
Cd
Ultimate Fail
 
Cd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin,Texas
Posts: 3,585
Thanks: 2,872
Thanked 1,121 Times in 679 Posts
The last image that you posted seems to suggest a slanted piece directly below the bumper.
From what I know ( almost nothing ) of good aero., this would deflect the air downwards and cause it to make contact with the ground - bouncing all around and causing all sorts of turbulence before bouncing back upwards and hitting the supesnsion - causing even more drag.
Also, a front end like this would add a considerable amount of front end lift at high speed ( unsafe ! ) You would notice that the car would seem to feel 'squirrely'.

Perhaps you could investigate trying to have the air flow to the sides of the vehicle instead.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2008, 10:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
Cd
Ultimate Fail
 
Cd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin,Texas
Posts: 3,585
Thanks: 2,872
Thanked 1,121 Times in 679 Posts
The car looks good with the skirts on.

Extra points for doing your mods in an eco friendly way by recycling the Coroplast signage !

It was free too wasn't it ?

That's a win / win situation for sure !
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 12:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
A madman
 
brucey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WV
Posts: 1,018

Pequod - '17 Subaru Outback
90 day: 22.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 73
Thanked 183 Times in 98 Posts
Send a message via AIM to brucey
Hmmm.

So simply damming it all up and keeping the roundness of the bumper would be better?



I plan to build in small wheel deflectors as showed on that prius undertray article, either way.

And yes, the cloro was all free, I got ahold of about 80~100 standard sized signs after the election, so I'm not short on it in anyway.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 01:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
A madman
 
brucey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WV
Posts: 1,018

Pequod - '17 Subaru Outback
90 day: 22.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 73
Thanked 183 Times in 98 Posts
Send a message via AIM to brucey
Further investigation shows a pretty similar front end on the front end of the Lexus Hybrid. Now wheres the aero experts?

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 08:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
Cd
Ultimate Fail
 
Cd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin,Texas
Posts: 3,585
Thanks: 2,872
Thanked 1,121 Times in 679 Posts
You're right.

I'm curious to know how it affects front end stability.

Other cars and suvs have front ends that slant upwards like that too.

The older Chevy Lumina comes to mind. The '67 Stingray Corvettes had front end that slanted upwards as well. They were known for having lots of front end lift.

I just wanted to point out that I'm no expert, and was not claiming to be.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 08:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
Hi-Tech Redneck
 
Johnny Mullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,436
Thanks: 6
Thanked 49 Times in 42 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Johnny Mullet Send a message via MSN to Johnny Mullet
Go with the rounded idea instead of slanted. The less amount of air that passes under the vehicle the better for stability and fuel economy.
__________________

GeoMetroforum.com - got mpg?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 11:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
A madman
 
brucey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WV
Posts: 1,018

Pequod - '17 Subaru Outback
90 day: 22.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 73
Thanked 183 Times in 98 Posts
Send a message via AIM to brucey
Alrighty, I probably won't get a chance to do this until after I get back from Florida, but afterwards I plan to get the front end rounded off and start to work on a frame for the underbelly. It'll be time for inspection too, I wonder how thats gonna pass?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 05:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
Tinkerer
 
kafer65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 284

Silver - '15 Mazda CX-5 Sport
Team Mazda
90 day: 37.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 7
Thanked 63 Times in 54 Posts
I have an 04 Highlander which is essentially the same thing as the Lexus. They are very stable at highway speeds even with the wedgy front end. I looked at the hybrid version and its identicle to mine except for some little front tire air dams to aero the front wheel a bit. I just got 24.8mpg staying around 75mph for about 385 miles and pumped up tires with a 3.o Liter V-6. Our 2k Suby outback got 26. IMHO a great deal of highway mileage could be had with shorter differential gearing. The 76 Plymouth Feather Duster could get 30mpg with a carb'd 3.7 Liter engine because it was light and had a 2.7 something ratio diff.

__________________


Mirror deletes, 80% grill blocks, wheel covers, 50 psi tires = 6% better MPG avg. over a year. Wheel skirts overcoming ethanol winter fuel mpg losses and more!
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ead-30641.html
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
List of aero mods you can do to your vehicle MetroMPG Aerodynamics 148 08-12-2021 11:53 PM
Toyota concept aero truck LUVMY02CREW The Lounge 14 11-14-2008 01:16 PM
Aero Front End Possibility? Coyote X Aerodynamics 12 06-07-2008 01:43 AM
Another Autospeed aero article: methods for measuring aero drag Daox Aerodynamics 4 02-14-2008 01:34 AM
New user intro and pick-up aero modding Blackbird Aerodynamics 4 01-28-2008 01:06 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com