Total Power efficiency between a Hybrid and EV? Who wins?

[NeilBlanchard]

As more people drive EV's, the knowledge that charging while parked saves LOTS of time vs pumping fuel.

It also saves a lot of money - an average of about $9,800 in ten years. (If you drive 15,000 miles a year.)

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicle...v-fuel-savings

[Ecky]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS - Electrons travel at the "speed of light" unlike million-years-old petroleum products.

Not quite the speed of light - electrons do have mass.

Photons travel at the speed of light when in a vacuum. However, it's esimated it takes ~100,000 years for light to make its way to the surface of the sun.

[hayden55]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

As more people drive EV's, the knowledge that charging while parked saves LOTS of time vs pumping fuel.

It also saves a lot of money - an average of about $9,800 in ten years. (If you drive 15,000 miles a year.)

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicle...v-fuel-savings

I like EVs but I hate these very generalized quotes (the worst offender: "Zero-emissions vehicle" when the vehicle is only a LEV). I'd also probably argue the cost it has listed over 10 years must be for an SUV driver. And the whole ICE engine vs EV maintenance is a questionable topic (prius reliability vs high recall Chevy volt for example), but I'd say on average EVs seem to be in a better form of working order than the typical gas burner. Also, the people who would consider swapping to an EV already drive highly efficient cars and only spend 5 minutes a week pumping gas. Do you know how many minutes you spend plugging/unplugging your EV every night/morning/lunch break etc? (especially on small battery EVs)

[RedDevil]

Yes, plugging in an EV takes time. But I'd do it every day, even if I only had to once or twice a week or so.
At home. Or at work, where the best parking spaces closest to the entry are EV charging points. A temporary advantage, maybe, but for now they're expanding the charging places gradually pushing the non-EV parking spots further away.

I can't fill up my car with gas at home nor at work. I need to make a small detour.
But the two gas stations closest to my home are both under threat. Too close to housing. Both forbidden to operate at night. One also had LPG, but had to abandon that years ago - too dangerous. Gas is next...
I'm not worried yet. But I no longer see the dependency on gas as an asset over electricity.

Charging is free at work. That definitely will not stay that way forever. I think.

[NeilBlanchard]

The Volt is a plugin hybrid; not an EV.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by hayden55

I like EVs but I hate these very generalized quotes (the worst offender: "Zero-emissions vehicle" when the vehicle is only a LEV). I'd also probably argue the cost it has listed over 10 years must be for an SUV driver.

I like the idea of EVs, but not any EV that's currently on the market. Maybe when/if someone makes an EV comparable to an Insight. Last I checked fuel prices for it were less than electricity for typical EVs, I can go ~700 miles on a tank, and it's paid for :-)