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Old 10-15-2013, 05:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Toyota GT86/Scion FRS 4dr sedan hybrid, maybe wagon too!

While I just heard toyota is working on my dream car, maybe....

Scion FR-S Sedan in Toyota's Pipeline - Motor Trend

About half way down it says that the rear drive FRS will get a hybrid system, "In addition to the base model's Subaru-sourced 200hp 2.0 litre boxer powertrain, the as-yet unnamed-sedan will also offer a next-generation hybrid system. Strategically differentiated from the current THS hybrid system, the new 'Hybrid R' sports hybrid system will incorporate a one-motor setup that generates between 250-270hp while achieving 10-15% better fuel economy."

If they put that together with a shooting brake wagon that would be a really sweet car!

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Old 10-18-2013, 03:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, I think the idea of a sporty hybrid sounds neat.

If the ICE already puts out 200hp, then the E-motor would have to produce the extra 50-70hp to achieve the performance figures mentioned in the article. It will be interesting to see what develops, but it's a long way out.
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Why even call it an FR-S? A sedan hybrid does not live up to what the FR-S was meant to be. It would be like adding back seats to a Viper and giving it a turbocharged V6. Makes me sick.
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Sounds fun. I'll believe it when I see it though.
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Why even call it an FR-S? A sedan hybrid does not live up to what the FR-S was meant to be. It would be like adding back seats to a Viper and giving it a turbocharged V6. Makes me sick.
Since it's gonna be another RWD offer I'm not unfavorable to that, altough I'd still rather get something Diesel-powered instead of hybrid.
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The hybrid is fine, they're not going to downgrade the engine power so it'll be faster than before, but I don't understand the sedan part. Toyota can't sell that sedan globally, they already have the Lexus IS platform for RWD sedans. If it's still a Subaru chassis, I don't think people would want a RWD Subaru sedan.
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The hybrid is fine, they're not going to downgrade the engine power so it'll be faster than before, but I don't understand the sedan part. Toyota can't sell that sedan globally, they already have the Lexus IS platform for RWD sedans. If it's still a Subaru chassis, I don't think people would want a RWD Subaru sedan.
If this platform is going to remain less expensive than the Lexus, and is going to have the advantages from the Subaru Boxer engine, it might still have strong sales arguments.
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Since it's gonna be another RWD offer I'm not unfavorable to that, altough I'd still rather get something Diesel-powered instead of hybrid.
That would be even worse. The point here is that Toyota and many other car companies today chose to ruin the heritage and tradition of some car brands simply to sell a few thousand more cars.

The FR-S, or Toyota 86, is the spiritual successor to the AE86. It also has ties with the 2000GT and 800. This is a long and proud line of front engine, RWD, sport coupes. For Toyota today, it represents a major shift back to a traditional sports car.

My whole point is to not attach 4 doors, a diesel engine, or a hybrid system to a name that represents such a great history for sports cars. The only reason they are doing this is because a 4 door will sell better than a coupe in today's market. For the people that respect what the Toyota 86 represents, it's shameful.
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My whole point is to not attach 4 doors, a diesel engine, or a hybrid system to a name that represents such a great history for sports cars. The only reason they are doing this is because a 4 door will sell better than a coupe in today's market. For the people that respect what the Toyota 86 represents, it's shameful.
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My whole point is to not attach 4 doors, a diesel engine, or a hybrid system to a name that represents such a great history for sports cars. The only reason they are doing this is because a 4 door will sell better than a coupe in today's market. For the people that respect what the Toyota 86 represents, it's shameful.
Even the early Camry was developed from a light compact RWD platform (from some older Celica), so as long as Toyota doesn't kill the GT86/FRS it doesn't sound that bad.

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