The Unicorn Corral: warning - reader skepticism is advised!

[wickydude]

Wellll, if you came to see positive proof that HHO is working, then indeed you won't find it here. Lots of people have said it works, but so far none have shown proof that it does*.
And as science isn't god, we don't need to take things on faith. Here, good data is required, with as many variables taken out of the equation as possible.
The proof that it does not work is in the laws of physics, like thermodynamics, conservation of energy etcetera. But usually that's ignored by the advocates of Hho bubblers.


* in the way advertised, of course, with enormous percentages gain from a bubbler using 12v from the alternator. Burning 100% hydrogen gets the engine running, but that's not the point (usually).

[mcrews]

Originally Posted by HybridGates

I can see the glass is half empty here. I was wrong to come here to see things disproved or proven.

that's it?????

you just fold after complaining???

Why don't your read some of the threads on hho and then comment????


(or just leave.....)

[mcrews]

Originally Posted by HybridGates

I can see the glass is half empty here. I was wrong to come here to see things disproved or proven.

sooo.......

you understand that ABA testing is 'proving' something right????

or, ABA testing is 'disproving' something.....right?????

[ChazInMT]

Originally Posted by HybridGates

I can see the glass is half empty here. I was wrong to come here to see things disproved or proven.

Hybridgats.....Here's a thing about science you see....It is not up to us to prove you're wrong.....It's up to you to prove you're right. Your very statement here saying you came to see things "Disproved" reflects on the fact that you are either in a suckers or swindlers mindset because you do not take the basic principles of science serious enough, or you choose to ignore them on account of nothing stands in the way of a good way to rip people off like real facts.

[mcrews]

Originally Posted by HybridGates

I can see the glass is half empty here. I was wrong to come here to see things disproved or proven.

Actually, you can't 'see' anything.

But fyi, the glass can ALWAYS be refilled.
This is a very outside the box forum.
Jezzz, we have a guy putting a 67 firebird convertible on a PRIUS frame!!!!

[Fat Charlie]

Hydrogen burns well.

I believe that.

Can someone come up with a safe and cost effective on board HHO generator and a way to safely use it to help fuel a car? I believe so.

Have they?

There are a lot of industries involved, and maybe it would take more cooperation between them to make it happen than we're going to get. Maybe the military or NASA is going to have to see a need for it, drag companies together and drown them in research money to make it happen. DARPA isn't going to hand a new propulsion system to the services until they're satisfied it works, though, and they haven't. Maybe a crackpot hobbyist is going to accomplish it, and is probably going to have a public face at a place like this or a more chemistry oriented site.

Separating the fuel usage from the fuel generation is what's going to help. We've got solar electricity and we've got electric cars, but making a car haul its own solar electric generation capacity around isn't practical. Building a car that uses HHO and can carry some is a lot more feasible than making a generation system that's small enough, light enough and efficient enough to haul around everywhere.

But HHO works, why can't you see it? isn't an argument that addresses the real problems.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by HybridGates

I was wrong to come here to see things disproved or proven.

Yes, you were. The Unicorn Corral section is, by intention, for those things that have been disproved, usually because they're laughably "not even wrong". It exist so that these topics can be separated from all the proved or potentially provable things you'll find in other sections.

[gone-ot]

Wise words:

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Hydrogen burns well.
....
Separating the fuel usage from the fuel generation is what's going to help. We've got solar electricity and we've got electric cars, but making a car haul its own solar electric generation capacity around isn't practical. Building a car that uses HHO and can carry some is a lot more feasible than making a generation system that's small enough, light enough and efficient enough to haul around everywhere.

Sounds like it, doesn't it?

Mind you, Brown's gas (HHO to some) is probably the most explosive gas in existence.
A gallon of HHO under atmospheric pressure would, if it gets ignited, detonate and shatter its container like a hand grenade.

One chemistry teacher at my highschool ignited an inch of Brown's gas foam on a soap tray, using a metal rod with a glowing hot tip, to show how explosive the gas really is.
We were impressed.
So were the 5 teachers from the neighbouring classes that came running in to investigate.
The classroom windows did not shatter, we were impressed with that too.

I remember one news article about a deadly car explosion in an oil drum which was apparently part of a fuel saving device.
What followed was a rant on those crazy fuel saving hippies that put their and others lives at stake for a few extra MPG...

We do not want that.

Come to think of it, the Corral might need a subdivision to ground practices that are too dangerous to handle, whether they save fuel or not.
What about the "Jurassic Parking"?

[ChazInMT]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Come to think of it, the Corral might need a subdivision to ground practices that are too dangerous to handle, whether they save fuel or not.
What about the "Jurassic Parking"?

Or "Darwins Last Stand"