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Old 07-20-2014, 04:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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A higher count of smaller holes adds surface area to the fuel, making it vaporize more completely under a wider range of conditions.
There is no reason not to go with a higher count of smaller holes.

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Funny how so many people are ready to shoot down things they have never tried or witnessed themselves. By definition isn't that gossip?

And not to be Mr. Conspiracy here but look at the numbers, and patents held by automotive manufacturers that can get better mileage. Why would anyone want to make a more efficient vehicle? FACEPALM.

Anyway no offense to those who think and try for themselves. I'm just a self employed high school drop out living a better life than most people I know who have student loans.

Naysayers really get to me. Anyway. I'm one of those "idiots" who is actually trying vapor burning. Not just turning it down regurgitating the useless garbage passed on by "engineers" and "mechanics".

My truck runs, (get this) COOLER ON VAPOR! Weird I know in 100 degree weather. I hit 100 miles before my fuel gauge has gone down to the F = full tank. My beast is a 4L V6. Best on liquid = 19.6 combined.

First test to see if it was feasible to try, my lawn mower. OBVIOUSLY it is not apples to apples. Using a graduated cylinder, I measured exactly 2 ounces of gas and put it into the fuel line. Ran for 23 seconds. Took another 2 ounces, and put it in a bottle. ran a tube just above the gas level and the other end into where the filter attaches. It ran for 2 minutes.

So, before anyone wants to throw THEORY at me, make sure you have actually had some experience or first person witness accounts of someone who has tried. Facts right? Not rumor or gossip?
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Facts- like a fuel log. Got one?
No. I just started this project 2 days ago. I'm not trying to sell anything either. Have you tried this hands on yourself? You know, to find the facts?

Here's some FACTS, Me trying it in real life MYSELF, not for profit. Not for attention. Just someone willing to DO instead of TALK.

What's next? I come push your car to the gas station for you? Come build the project in your garage for you? Again, do you have any HANDS ON EXPERIENCE?

Anyone can sit behind a keyboard and be an internet based expert. We can all be fictitious characters. Some of us go out and try at least. Some of us. Just some Frankie boy.
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Do future posts and or logs require me to be standing by a state patrol officer, lawyer and notary whilst holding a valid license and birth certificate? But if that's your real picture you may not be able to read anyway. If you can maybe do some research, do some experiments. Not just talk to dorks at jiffylube. I've been building HHO cells, circuits and pcbs from scratch, reading (with a skeptical mind) testing, machining, probing (deep) and working to find any way to make anything work better. I'm not just throwing duct tape on my grill and calling myself an ecomodder. I'm actually trying to make vehicles run better the way people want them to. Ya know, like with an air conditioner and the ability to charge a phone, and drill batteries, and drive 70. With tools and materials in the back since I like to work and make an honest living.

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Just someone willing to DO instead of TALK.
Me too.
I try to stick with proven stuff like aerodynamics and reducing accessory drag and stay away from the pseudo science stuff.
Not going to screw with something for hours chasing gains that aren't even measureable.

If fuel vapor systems worked so well then why don't propane engines see big gains over gasoline engines?
Propane is a superheated gas under atmospheric pressure at room temperature, it doesn't get any more vapor than that.

If my lawn mower burned 2 ounces of gas in 23 seconds it would go through a full tank of gas in less than 6 or 7 minutes. If it burned an ounce a minute it would run out in under half an hour. It runs for a little more than a half hour, actually cutting grass, I let it grow until its as tall as the mower can handle before cutting it.
Might want to retest that one or fix your mower.
The only thing "special" I do for it is run ethanol free gas, run 20w-50 weight oil in the crank case and put a little bit of shindowa red armor 2 stroke in the gas.
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So, before anyone wants to throw THEORY at me, make sure you have actually had some experience or first person witness accounts of someone who has tried. Facts right? Not rumor or gossip?
you propose we should try things at random? anyone anywhere should try anything that comes to mind, to improve the efficiency of something without understanding of how it works?

i think i'll try replacing my oxygen sensor with a bar of soap... and it will be 8% more efficient, until proven otherwise

my THEORY is that a vapor system could be made to be just as efficient as a traditional fuel system. you propose a vapor system is more efficient? so is my new oxygen sensor
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We had a discussion on this topic a while back.

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you propose we should try things at random? anyone anywhere should try anything that comes to mind, to improve the efficiency of something without understanding of how it works?

i think i'll try replacing my oxygen sensor with a bar of soap... and it will be 8% more efficient, until proven otherwise

my THEORY is that a vapor system could be made to be just as efficient as a traditional fuel system. you propose a vapor system is more efficient? so is my new oxygen sensor
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...kes-28177.html

And, vapor systems can be made more efficient than traditional fuel systems - though not just because of the vapor phase advantage.
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This forum has changed since it's time as a parallel to the Xprize.

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Do future posts and or logs require me to be standing by a state patrol officer, lawyer and notary whilst holding a valid license and birth certificate? But if that's your real picture you may not be able to read anyway. If you can maybe do some research, do some experiments. Not just talk to dorks at jiffylube. I've been building HHO cells, circuits and pcbs from scratch, reading (with a skeptical mind) testing, machining, probing (deep) and working to find any way to make anything work better. I'm not just throwing duct tape on my grill and calling myself an ecomodder. I'm actually trying to make vehicles run better the way people want them to. Ya know, like with an air conditioner and the ability to charge a phone, and drill batteries, and drive 70. With tools and materials in the back since I like to work and make an honest living.
Back then we had physicists, engineers and skilled makers galore. Now, we have this . . . and that.

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