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Old 07-25-2017, 02:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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GM has been 'known' to "shoot themselves in the feet" on more than one occasion.

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Old 07-25-2017, 02:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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GM has been 'known' to "shoot themselves in the feet" on more than one occasion.
i don't know a better way of saying this
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Which automaker will be first to market with a PHEV or electric pickup truck?

I wish it would, but I don't think gas is going to $4/gallon unless a couple major oil producers go belly up because of low prices and it causes a supply chain shock.

Electric will replace gasoline and diesel. It's not if, but when. The main question is what does that transition look like. Batteries continue to improve in capacity and decrease in cost.

No one wants an ugly Nissan Leaf, and Tesla Model S is too expensive for mass market. The Tesla Model X, while not talked about recently, probably would have been a good indicator of the way things are going to go had it not been designed so differently from other SUVs.

A 200 mile electric SUV or a range-extended electric that costs the same as a Ford Explorer, whenever someone manages that, I think that will be the tipping point whereupon the traditional ICE-only stranglehold starts to crumble.
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Which automaker will be first to market with a PHEV or electric pickup truck?
Major issue with trucks is how inefficient the platforms are, so you end up needing massive (expensive) batteries.
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So far the hybrid concept hasn't really scaled up to SUV size well.
They get good city milage but get about the same or worse highway milage as compared to the gas only option.
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The Workhorse truck has a 60kwhr battery and an 80 mile range.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:24 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Those projects from the 90s were quite ambitious, but they wouldn't last too long without political support. Anyway, a plug-in hybrid truck would probably be more appealing to the average Joe than some all-electric one, since it could eventually also provide electric power to appliances, tools and as an emergency backup at home during power shortages.
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GM has been 'known' to "shoot themselves in the feet" on more than one occasion.
I was a pure Pontiac fan until GM abandoned that brand. Now I won't buy another GM car unless and until Mary Barra is gone. She was then and is now a Pontiac hater.

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