12-26-2015, 06:11 PM
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Hmm..
So before I even start to fix anything I got to know what caused it...
Was it:
A. Not using a torque wrench to tighten the lug nuts - probably not but it's a good idea to use a torque wrench in the future
B. Getting Rear Ended hard enough to make my trunk not open right - maybe
C. Putting my new tires on myself - maybe
D. Driving the new tires for 100 miles with out being balanced (the thought here was that you could wear out the tire just a bit to get off all the mold knobs) - maybe
C & D could have been eliminated if I would have got the wheels balanced by someone I trust before I mounted them because they would have told me if if the wheels had excessive whirl.
Also the car got hit two days before I did the tires, so those events basically happened within 50 miles of one another.
I'm looking at the angle of the rear tires. I can't see any angle from being straight on, so if there is it would be so small as to make it non-visible.
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12-26-2015, 07:06 PM
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We were hoping you'd tell us.
Reading between the lines, it's a back tire on some vehicle. If it is an independent rear suspension, then take it to an alignment shop. Rear wheel alignment is almost as important as the front. Even a solid axle needs to be square and level.
Tires should be balanced (and optionally, shaved concentric) when they are first mounted. Tighten the lugnuts once with a torque wrench, and then feel how tight they are when you loosen them by hand. You can always reproduce that afterward.
I'm going to go with 'excessive whirl'.
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12-26-2015, 08:07 PM
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Not using a lubricant like soapy water on the rim to allow the tire to seat properly or the tire itself is defective or needs to be balanced.
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Fixed a car once hit hard enough in the rear end to push both quarter panels under the rear doors almost two inches total. Not damage whatsoever to the rear wheels tires or hubs.
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12-26-2015, 08:24 PM
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@Old Mechanic
I hate to say it but I think I probably messed up the rims and your post basically confirms it.
I only put soap on half of the rim (you can get in half the tire first and then you need to lever the other half on and the soap helps a lot) because I heard that the soap is a mild-solvent and is not the greatest thing in the world for the tire. I to tried to get all the soap off the rim and tire before I set the bead, so basically the bead set dry but I'm sure one half of the tire had more of an inclination to slide further.
I wonder if someone else could confirm if how the bead sets makes a difference or does the bead always expand out equally once the tire is fully inflated.
Do the pros use tire lubricant when they set the bead?
Last edited by DragBean; 12-26-2015 at 08:33 PM..
Reason: The reason why I only put soap on half the tire
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12-26-2015, 09:08 PM
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Every person I've seen install tires used a lubricant. I don't know what the lubricant was, but it looked watery. Soapy water?
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12-26-2015, 09:11 PM
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The soapy water is there to make the tire easier to get on but also to make it seat on the rim uniformly. Break the bead from the rim on both sides, put some more soapy water on both mating surfaces of the rim and inflate and re seat the tire.
Do not slop a lot of soapy water or you could get some inside that would make the tire-wheel impossible to balance.
I doubt very seriously you have damaged anything, just reseat with soapy water on both sides and you should be golden.
If you still have a vibration have the appropriate tire-wheels balanced.
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12-26-2015, 09:17 PM
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Next time you do tires yourself, remember to get the tire on with the least force you need to get the tire's bead down in the recess in the center of the rim, especially on the last side you install. A couple of C clamps makes it much easier. Another way is to use plastic wire ties to keep both of the tires beads very close together then cut them off or remove them (the plastic wire ties) when you have the tire completely installed.
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12-26-2015, 10:29 PM
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Our guys use Rim Ease.
Helps slide them on and seal. I can't say anything as to its price, but our guys use it and haven't mentioned wanting a better one- so I can only assume it's quite good.
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12-26-2015, 11:16 PM
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I shower using Dove dish washing liquid, have done so for virtually my whole adult life.
It also works perfect for a tire mounting solvent.
Really good at removing grease from virtually every square inch of the human body.
Properly diluted a single bottle would probably mount 1000 tires.
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12-26-2015, 11:34 PM
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When it's an old car, I like to use a scotchbrite and drill to thoroughly clean the bead seating area of the rim and then paint it. Let the paint dry and mount the new tire.
Makes them hold air like tires on a brand new car.
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